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"Because as far as they can tell no games are coming out."

But you all are assuming that no games announced now means no games will be. People are entitled to their own opinions (why complaints about the value of a game are valid), but not to their own facts.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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You throw a new Wii Fit at this consul And I swear it would get killer revenue.

This system's selling point was healthier gaming.  Its only dieing cause Nintendo

is not acknowledging why Wii did well in the first place. Getting people off there

 lazy fat ass, and moving.



C'mon guys. Try to understand the kind of games people are looking for here.

2D platformers. No one knows how to make these anymore. The great platformers from the NES, SNES, Game Boy and Genesis are pure, simple, content-loaded, have a very free-form playstyle with multiple paths etc, and have controls so tight that they are mesmerizing. Each of those systems has a stack of games I can describe that way. Wii has NSMBW. Even DKCR, the second best platformer on the system, I can't describe as having free-form gameplay or tight controls.

How about sports games. Wii Sports and WSR are awesome games. But the focus behind WSR was the island theme and being a WM Plus showcase. The follow-ups are things like Mario Sports Mix. The follow-up to Wii Fit is an expansion pack and nothing. All of that is very concerning. A better word than concerning might be LAME. The focus of Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros. or Zelda is just a content frenzy, and they follow them up with more content frenzies. Why don't they give their core fans the same devotion to content they give the fringe Gamecube fans?

How about action/adventure games. It's not premature to judge Waggle Puzzle Zelda. First of all, you can put pointy ears and a green hat on your Sonic Cycle GIFs and it applies perfectly. Secondly, they've shown gameplay, and everything they've shown is Waggle Puzzles, not Action/Adventure. Action gameplay means twitchy fingers and wide open player choice. In fact, twitchy fingers and wide open choices describes generations of gaming, and I just don't know where to look for it anymore.

What about racing games. Mario Kart Wii sales are downright absurd. What follows it up? Mario Kart Wii was better than Mario Kart 64, but at least MK64 had F-Zero and Diddy Kong to follow it up. That's a triumvirate of racing awesomeness.

Epic Mickey looks like one of the third party games failing to imitate Mario 64 from 1998. Last Story was literally named by typing Final Fantasy and then right-clicking and looking at the synonyms in Word. The team that made Wario Land Wii and Kirby's Yarn needs to fire everyone but the artists. These are not the droids we're searching for.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

Obviously the Wii isn't dead and it's condition compared to the other consoles is still pretty good, but compared to it's former self it sure feels like it had a heart attack and there is that looming feeling that another one might follow rather sooner than later.



LordTheNightKnight said:

"Because as far as they can tell no games are coming out."

But you all are assuming that no games announced now means no games will be. People are entitled to their own opinions (why complaints about the value of a game are valid), but not to their own facts.

Until they announce more games why is it not a fact. If these titles aren't announced should we just assume they are in production? Should we just believe people other than Nintendo and maybe Ubisoft who have repeatedly seemed unintersted or unable to make software for the system have some great reason all of sudden?

I think it's smarter to not assume period as we know what it makes of you and me.  That of course just leaves us with the crappy announced software and nothing on the horizon.



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nitekrawler1285 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"Because as far as they can tell no games are coming out."

But you all are assuming that no games announced now means no games will be. People are entitled to their own opinions (why complaints about the value of a game are valid), but not to their own facts.

Until they announce more games why is it not a fact. If these titles aren't announced should we just assume they are in production? Should we just believe people other than Nintendo and maybe Ubisoft who have repeatedly seemed unintersted or unable to make software for the system have some great reason all of sudden?

I think it's smarter to not assume period as we know what it makes of you and me.  That of course just leaves us with the crappy announced software and nothing on the horizon.


But to assume the opposite is what you are doing. I'm actually stating you should wait and see. If the releases around E3 don't look any good to you, then you can call on them for the rest of the year.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"Because as far as they can tell no games are coming out."

But you all are assuming that no games announced now means no games will be. People are entitled to their own opinions (why complaints about the value of a game are valid), but not to their own facts.

Until they announce more games why is it not a fact. If these titles aren't announced should we just assume they are in production? Should we just believe people other than Nintendo and maybe Ubisoft who have repeatedly seemed unintersted or unable to make software for the system have some great reason all of sudden?

I think it's smarter to not assume period as we know what it makes of you and me.  That of course just leaves us with the crappy announced software and nothing on the horizon.


But to assume the opposite is what you are doing. I'm actually stating you should wait and see. If the releases around E3 don't look any good to you, then you can call on them for the rest of the year.

So saying they have no games coming out when they don't have anything announced is assuming?  No that is just the current reality of the situation.  I don't have to wait till E3 to tell you that games are coming out for the other consoles. They are announced and I know. If Nintendo wants to change that they can but that doesn't change that as of now we know of nothing on the horizon.



nitekrawler1285 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
nitekrawler1285 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

"Because as far as they can tell no games are coming out."

But you all are assuming that no games announced now means no games will be. People are entitled to their own opinions (why complaints about the value of a game are valid), but not to their own facts.

Until they announce more games why is it not a fact. If these titles aren't announced should we just assume they are in production? Should we just believe people other than Nintendo and maybe Ubisoft who have repeatedly seemed unintersted or unable to make software for the system have some great reason all of sudden?

I think it's smarter to not assume period as we know what it makes of you and me.  That of course just leaves us with the crappy announced software and nothing on the horizon.


But to assume the opposite is what you are doing. I'm actually stating you should wait and see. If the releases around E3 don't look any good to you, then you can call on them for the rest of the year.

So saying they have no games coming out when they don't have anything announced is assuming?  No that is just the current reality of the situation.  I don't have to wait till E3 to tell you that games are coming out for the other consoles. They are announced and I know. If Nintendo wants to change that they can but that doesn't change that as of now we know of nothing on the horizon.


Bull. You admit Nintendo doesn't announce most games early (but think they should), and then try insist that means no games are being made due to no annoucements yet. You already contradicted yourself.

Plus I've stated in the OP that Nintendo cannot afford not to release any major games. Read the OP to see why.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

I agree with the OP. Wii sales are down massively (and Nintendo deserves it) but this is basically without any support from both first party and third party. I'll still maintain my stance that a redesigned Wii, coupled with a price cut (say $169 for the new model and $149 for the old one) and some decent games would be enough to keep sales at roughly 15 million units this year and above 10 million in 2011. It all depends on Nintendo and how they handle this situation.

I also want to point out (like others have before) that during the N64 and Gamecube period Nintendo, due to being smaller and having less dev teams than today, pretty much released no software at all for their systems - in case of the Gamecube there was almost nothing to play starting mid 2004 and at that point the system was already priced at $99. I remember Paper Mario was the very last N64 first party release (maybe even the last one period) and that game came out in early October in the EU. The Gamecube was released on May 3, 2002 here! That's seven (7!) months without any release and at that time Nintendo was mainly releasing ports for the GBA!

One of the main reasons Nintendo is so focused on getting third paty support is that there is always a two year time period with only very little releases for their home consoles which constantly causes them to drop in the sales charts. It happened to the N64, the Gamecube and now the Wii and everytime Nintendo's stock goes down, the media declares doom on them and gamers all over the internet are ranting (I was a member of the official Nintendo website forum between 1999-2003 or so - I was there). Nintendo did it different with the SNES - N64 transition and it turned out horribly because the N64 seriously lacked games during its first year on the market.

This is most troubling to a company like Nintendo who's only business is games. What if the Wii had only sold like half of what it has now? Nintendo would have to release their next console this year instead of next which would mean two new systems to support at once (which didn't work at all for GBA / GC).I don't want Nintendo to stop focusing on expanding the market but I can see where they are coming from.

It's been like this for the last three generations and the reactions are always the same. Oh and before people said "Nintendo should drop out of the console business" they said "Nintendo should drop out of the console business because they cannot support both home consoles and handhelds". At least that's what they said on the gaming websites I visited back then (which weren't many haha). That's the origin of these claims for those who are interested.



Carl2291 said:

Dead? No.

Dying? Debatable.

It's gone from an expectation of 20 Million to 18 Million for the last FY to 13 Million this FY. It's in free fall. Nintendo are releasing next to nothing for it in the near future and the only real "huge" 3rd party title on the horizon is Dragon Quest X.

The recent quarter is the lowest it's ever had, and to compare it to the previous generation leader... It's lower than the PS2 has ever gone in a Quarter and it doesn't have the support from 3rd parties that the PS2 had after next-gen consoles were released.

IMO, it's dying.

I'm quoting myself, just incase you didn't see it on the 1st page.