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imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Your suggesting that the entirity of MSNBC is biased against Sony, an pro 360. 

How isn't that a conspiracy... you know, espeically based on your above definition... you've apparently already forgotten you posted in this thread.  Each post you make seems like you've forgotten the past posts you've made in this thread, twisting and wrapping your arguement in a desperate spin attempt to not realize that at this point your

Also, they've somehow completely hidden this fact from the public without any reporters, ediotrs or copywriters sayign anything or any memos leaking.

A conspriacy that would have to involve it's partners which involve the NYT, the New York Post and other media partners.

Oh, and also NBC.  Apparently NBC is perfectly fine letting microsoft push propganda with their 50% of the stakes, nevermind that it might hurt the reputation of MSNBC (which Microsoft owns 0% of) or any other news they report.

 

(Oh, and every other news company that's reporting this story apparently.  Maybe M$ is just monehatting them all!)

It's not a secret that how it isn't a conspiracy lol, of course a MS owned organisation is pro 360, and no the others are just blowing it out of preportion for raitings 

Your right... it's not secret.  It's non existant.  They don't do that.  It's silly to suggest they do.

Yes a company that owns a media outlet would never in any way use it to help along their agenda... what the hell is wrong with you?

Once again

A) They own exactly 50% of the company... and NBC handles day to day stuff more.

B) If they did, there would be proof of it.  See Fox News. 

Though yeah... you seem to be the kind of person in mind when the saying

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

was coined.

Actually that would be you, see all their coverage of the 360 failrate if you want proof that they use it to push their agenda but your so closed minded lol, theres tons of proof you just don't care 



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voty2000 on 27 April 2011


BMaker11 on 27 April 2011
Gnizmo said:
BMaker11 said:

A question to those saying that Sony's security is bad or that they were negligent:

Do you know how Sony's security works? How was the hack carried out? Could you have hacked PSN? I mean, Sony just doesn't care about our sensitive information and their security is so weak, right?

How many of you work in IT and how many of you are just adolescents blabbering whatever you just read on the internet?

Do I believe that "Sony can do no wrong"? Of course not, but then again, I also don't go around saying things like I know how everything about the topic works. Until someone can tell me how the infrastructure of PSN works and how they (the poster) can hack it, then all of you bashers are just idiots who know nothing.

Everything electronic in this world is hackable. But you don't see me saying how easy it is to hack high level company's infrastructure because they are so negligent, and *I* just so happen to be smart enough to know how to invade their network. If I was the most intelligent person on this planet, and I could hack everything known to man, I wouldn't blame the company that made the product because I knew how to hack it.

I have worked in IT for a number of years before switching careers. I have been certified for it in fact. Sony failed on some levels here. They are not solely to blame, but blame does fall on them. Many aspects of this story should not have played out this way. The intruder has the lion's share of the blame, but not all of it considering what has been lost, and how that was handled.

I can accept an answer like this. You're knowledgable in the field and understand how networking works. 

Others in this thread are just saying "this is all Sony's fault. They're negligent. They didn't care by making such a weak network." If their network is so weak, why don't you hack it then? (not directed at you Gnizmo)

The answer is that they can't and they don't have the faintest clue how Sony's network is handled, they just want to flame because Sony made a mistake.



imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
Gnizmo said:
imaprettyhotguy said:

"we believe that" Could be an assumption or some legal cover your ass and still doesn't change the fact nothing has happened to anyone and of course I know where it came from, just too lazy to go there myself and alot of people take stuff out of context 


So you asked for a source knowing the source? Then your response is to use a line I actually quoted? Oh yeah, I buy that. Makes perfect sense really. Nothing strange at all there.

I don't think they would have used that language to cover their asses legally since there is no reason to state it legally. If they were just covering their bases it would sound something like :"While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility." The data was being mined.

Also, things are happening right now. Do you expect the guy to sift through all the data and email people indivdually? The data will be sold to whomever is willing to pay the cash for it. This means you won't get one scam, but as many scam companies as feel like ponying up the dough hitting all those affected. This kind of data is worth top dollar too. Hell regular companies and advertisers will pay top dollar depending on just how much data was dumped. Purchase and playing history are amazingly valuable bits of info when tacked onto a gender and location.

Seriously, stop and inform yourself then come back with a semi-coherent defense. Currently yours makes no sense, and utilizes no concrete information. It is out there both for and against. Read it, form a cogent argument, then post it here. Till then you are not really going to be able to make a valid point.

So far my defence is nothing but a few scam emails have been sent nothing you are saying is trumping that, it's not a big deal. How much you think was data mined doubt they had the time to get everything



BMaker11 on 27 April 2011
nikosx said:
BMaker11 said:

Everything electronic in this world is hackable. But you don't see me saying how easy it is to hack high level company's infrastructure because they are so negligent, and *I* just so happen to be smart enough to know how to invade their network. If I was the most intelligent person on this planet, and I could hack everything known to man, I wouldn't blame the company that made the product because I knew how to hack it.

Yes, everything is hackable. Even top level security companies: http://gcn.com/articles/2011/03/18/rsa-securid-hacked-apt.aspx

 

A company that does no work other than on security systems? It got hacked and the the program they use to get into bank accounts and access their own network has been compromised? Totally their fault. They obviously don't care about their own security and their system is so weak, it's like they left the keys to the front door in the mailbox so anyone can get in.

They got all the hard stuff right, but failed on the basic stuff =/



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Kasz216 on 27 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Your suggesting that the entirity of MSNBC is biased against Sony, an pro 360. 

How isn't that a conspiracy... you know, espeically based on your above definition... you've apparently already forgotten you posted in this thread.  Each post you make seems like you've forgotten the past posts you've made in this thread, twisting and wrapping your arguement in a desperate spin attempt to not realize that at this point your

Also, they've somehow completely hidden this fact from the public without any reporters, ediotrs or copywriters sayign anything or any memos leaking.

A conspriacy that would have to involve it's partners which involve the NYT, the New York Post and other media partners.

Oh, and also NBC.  Apparently NBC is perfectly fine letting microsoft push propganda with their 50% of the stakes, nevermind that it might hurt the reputation of MSNBC (which Microsoft owns 0% of) or any other news they report.

 

(Oh, and every other news company that's reporting this story apparently.  Maybe M$ is just monehatting them all!)

It's not a secret that how it isn't a conspiracy lol, of course a MS owned organisation is pro 360, and no the others are just blowing it out of preportion for raitings 

Your right... it's not secret.  It's non existant.  They don't do that.  It's silly to suggest they do.

Yes a company that owns a media outlet would never in any way use it to help along their agenda... what the hell is wrong with you?

Once again

A) They own exactly 50% of the company... and NBC handles day to day stuff more.

B) If they did, there would be proof of it.  See Fox News. 

Though yeah... you seem to be the kind of person in mind when the saying

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

was coined.

Actually that would be you, see all their coverage of the 360 failrate if you want proof that they use it to push their agenda but your so closed minded lol, theres tons of proof you just don't care 

What a compelling arguement.  You've cited a whole zero articles from them, and a whole zero articles from Yahoo and other news sites.


So all I have is the word of someone who is directly trying to argue with an ex IT guy about what IT language means... who can't even keep his arguements consistant post by post.



imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Your suggesting that the entirity of MSNBC is biased against Sony, an pro 360. 

How isn't that a conspiracy... you know, espeically based on your above definition... you've apparently already forgotten you posted in this thread.  Each post you make seems like you've forgotten the past posts you've made in this thread, twisting and wrapping your arguement in a desperate spin attempt to not realize that at this point your

Also, they've somehow completely hidden this fact from the public without any reporters, ediotrs or copywriters sayign anything or any memos leaking.

A conspriacy that would have to involve it's partners which involve the NYT, the New York Post and other media partners.

Oh, and also NBC.  Apparently NBC is perfectly fine letting microsoft push propganda with their 50% of the stakes, nevermind that it might hurt the reputation of MSNBC (which Microsoft owns 0% of) or any other news they report.

 

(Oh, and every other news company that's reporting this story apparently.  Maybe M$ is just monehatting them all!)

It's not a secret that how it isn't a conspiracy lol, of course a MS owned organisation is pro 360, and no the others are just blowing it out of preportion for raitings 

Your right... it's not secret.  It's non existant.  They don't do that.  It's silly to suggest they do.

Yes a company that owns a media outlet would never in any way use it to help along their agenda... what the hell is wrong with you?

Once again

A) They own exactly 50% of the company... and NBC handles day to day stuff more.

B) If they did, there would be proof of it.  See Fox News. 

Though yeah... you seem to be the kind of person in mind when the saying

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

was coined.

Actually that would be you, see all their coverage of the 360 failrate if you want proof that they use it to push their agenda but your so closed minded lol, theres tons of proof you just don't care 

What a compelling arguement.  You've cited a whole zero articles from them, and a whole zero articles from Yahoo and other news sites.


So all I have is the word of someone who is directly trying to argue with an ex IT guy about what IT language means... who can't even keep his arguements consistant post by post.

Let me put it this way you aren't worth my time, you are nothing, you have an agenda you don't know what freaking conspiracy means and you are just plain wrong and I really don't care to point out all the ways you are wrong



Kasz216 on 27 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
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imaprettyhotguy said:

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Once again

A) They own exactly 50% of the company... and NBC handles day to day stuff more.

B) If they did, there would be proof of it.  See Fox News. 

Though yeah... you seem to be the kind of person in mind when the saying

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

was coined.

Actually that would be you, see all their coverage of the 360 failrate if you want proof that they use it to push their agenda but your so closed minded lol, theres tons of proof you just don't care 

What a compelling arguement.  You've cited a whole zero articles from them, and a whole zero articles from Yahoo and other news sites.


So all I have is the word of someone who is directly trying to argue with an ex IT guy about what IT language means... who can't even keep his arguements consistant post by post.

Let me put it this way you aren't worth my time, you are nothing, you have an agenda you don't know what freaking conspiracy means and you are just plain wrong and I really don't care to point out all the ways you are wrong

Again with the backpedalling because you know your wrong.

What, did you actually look up a couple MSNBC articles about the RROD and realize how wrong you were?

Liiiike say.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28284375/

I'd like to know what my agenda is too haha... that should be a funny one.

Maybe I'm secretly Bill Gates.



imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
 

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Once again

A) They own exactly 50% of the company... and NBC handles day to day stuff more.

B) If they did, there would be proof of it.  See Fox News. 

Though yeah... you seem to be the kind of person in mind when the saying

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

was coined.

Actually that would be you, see all their coverage of the 360 failrate if you want proof that they use it to push their agenda but your so closed minded lol, theres tons of proof you just don't care 

What a compelling arguement.  You've cited a whole zero articles from them, and a whole zero articles from Yahoo and other news sites.


So all I have is the word of someone who is directly trying to argue with an ex IT guy about what IT language means... who can't even keep his arguements consistant post by post.

Let me put it this way you aren't worth my time, you are nothing, you have an agenda you don't know what freaking conspiracy means and you are just plain wrong and I really don't care to point out all the ways you are wrong

Again with the backpedalling because you know your wrong.

What, did you actually look up a couple MSNBC articles about the RROD and realize how wrong you were?

Liiiike say.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28284375/

I'd like to know what my agenda is too haha... that should be a funny one.

Maybe I'm secretly Bill Gates.

You really can't see them downplaying it at every turn?



Kasz216 on 27 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
Kasz216 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
 

It'

 



Once again

A) They own exactly 50% of the company... and NBC handles day to day stuff more.

B) If they did, there would be proof of it.  See Fox News. 

Though yeah... you seem to be the kind of person in mind when the saying

"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."

was coined.

Actually that would be you, see all their coverage of the 360 failrate if you want proof that they use it to push their agenda but your so closed minded lol, theres tons of proof you just don't care 

What a compelling arguement.  You've cited a whole zero articles from them, and a whole zero articles from Yahoo and other news sites.


So all I have is the word of someone who is directly trying to argue with an ex IT guy about what IT language means... who can't even keep his arguements consistant post by post.

Let me put it this way you aren't worth my time, you are nothing, you have an agenda you don't know what freaking conspiracy means and you are just plain wrong and I really don't care to point out all the ways you are wrong

Again with the backpedalling because you know your wrong.

What, did you actually look up a couple MSNBC articles about the RROD and realize how wrong you were?

Liiiike say.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28284375/

I'd like to know what my agenda is too haha... that should be a funny one.

Maybe I'm secretly Bill Gates.

You really can't see them downplaying it at every turn?

It was an article about complaing simply for complainging sake... so no.  If Microsoft was controlling everyone behind the scenes there would be no reason for that story.

Which... you know... they don't have any editorial control.

 

NBC News has full editorial control.  All Microsoft gets out of the deal is large profits from owning the most surfed news website on the internet.

http://www.journalism.org/print/516