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Barozi on 25 April 2011
EdStation3 said:

^It doesn't.   Strawman arguing.  PS3 sold a lot more for the time it's been out than the 360.  Take profit all you want, RROD, YLOD, every colour of the rainbowLOD my point still stands.

Your point just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

1. You claimed that the 360 is in last place "per capita".
- wrong terminology

2. Your math doesn't make much sense simply because you're leaving out important variables. (360 started when the last gen was still very strong. When PS3 and Wii got released, the last gen consoles weren't as strong. With other words adding the "missing" 18% of the time and using the respective proportion of the sales during the 2006-2011 period is just illogical, since 2005/2006 PS3 sales would be much lower than nowadays)

3. Now you're saying your point is that the "PS3 sold a lot more for the time it's been out than the 360". Fine that's correct, but what are you trying to accomplish with this ? You're looking at a specific event and not on the whole picture, thus making that fact pretty meaningless, especially in connection to your thread title.



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pizzahut451 on 25 April 2011
rocketpig said:
pizzahut451 said:
rocketpig said:

Why does it matter? Microsoft has made more money than Sony this generation. Why don't we go by THAT number? It makes more sense than arbitrarily looking at product sales, which don't account for the clusterfucks that have set back both companies quite a bit (MS less than Sony but they both had major mistakes this generation).

it matters because this is a thread about sales, not profits. But if spinning and twisting topic is gonna make you happy, than go on :)

In that case, Microsoft has ALSO sold more consoles than Sony this generation.

I'm not the one spinning anything here. I'm just applying some common-fucking-sense to the conversation.


Well, I dont argue with that, just please dont twist the topic



noname2200 on 25 April 2011

And if you exclude any console that's not HD, the PS3 becomes the greatest selling system of all time!!!



noname2200 on 25 April 2011

Ooh, ooh, if we go by Metacritic scores, the Wii is more or less in third this generation!



Slimebeast on 25 April 2011

Eventually PS3 is going to outsell even the Wii lifetime.



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raygun on 25 April 2011

1.  What about factoring in returns? The PS3 has a 10% failure rate, so !0% of it's sales are replacements. For the Xbox360 it's 30% in it's first 3- 4 years, with many people getting multiple replacements. Are these free replacements counted as sales? Dosen't that scew sales figures?

2.  Didn't MS set aside 1 billion dollars for RROD? Subtract that from the PROFIT made on Xbox360 sales.



Kynes on 25 April 2011
raygun said:

1.  What about factoring in returns? The PS3 has a 10% failure rate, so !0% of it's sales are replacements. For the Xbox360 it's 30% in it's first 3- 4 years, with many people getting multiple replacements. Are these free replacements counted as sales? Dosen't that scew sales figures?

2.  Didn't MS set aside 1 billion dollars for RROD? Subtract that from the PROFIT made on Xbox360 sales.


1.- No. Replacements aren't sales.

2.- It's already included. Even counting it, X360 is more or less even, while PS3 is yet in the 4-5 billion US$ loss range. You know, Live is a cash cow.



Barozi on 25 April 2011
raygun said:

1.  What about factoring in returns? The PS3 has a 10% failure rate, so !0% of it's sales are replacements. For the Xbox360 it's 30% in it's first 3- 4 years, with many people getting multiple replacements. Are these free replacements counted as sales? Dosen't that scew sales figures?

2.  Didn't MS set aside 1 billion dollars for RROD? Subtract that from the PROFIT made on Xbox360 sales.

1. Replacements are not counted as extra sales.
2. Pretty sure that was already done



rocketpig on 25 April 2011
Superman4 said:
rocketpig said:

Why does it matter? Microsoft has made more money than Sony this generation. Why don't we go by THAT number? It makes more sense than arbitrarily looking at product sales, which don't account for the clusterfucks that have set back both companies quite a bit (MS less than Sony but they both had major mistakes this generation).


I dont recall Sony having a billion defect issue, not to mention the 360 was selling for a loss as well.

And that's why I said they've both blundered. But while MS has spent the past three plus years profiting from the division, Sony buried themselves even deeper in the early going and just climbed out of the red a few quarters ago.




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rocketpig on 25 April 2011
raygun said:

2.  Didn't MS set aside 1 billion dollars for RROD? Subtract that from the PROFIT made on Xbox360 sales.

MS already did that back in 2007.




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