Yeah but how many of those iPhone/iPod sales are actually upgrades from the older models. I doubt the install base is anywhere near 187M.
The same is easily said of game consoles or any other consumer electronics. I myself have a broken Wii and a broken DS Lite that I've bought replacements for. The 3DS is the only console currently on sale which didn't go on the market before the iPhone launched, and these consoles are all more likely to have hardware failures because they have more moving parts than an iDevice. Furthermore, upgraded devices (including those old consoles from 2006) tend to get resold to new users, and even first generation iDevices still have value in used and refurbished markets.
Trying to parse which platforms have more devices in landfills and sock drawers is a near impossible thing to measure. It's easiest to just take for granted that moving more units means the platform is healthier.
@ Buzzi
It bugs me to see Nintendo enthusiasts, who for so long have defended their platforms of choice from accusations that their games aren't "real," turn around and start trying to dictate what constitutes a game. I thought the Wii and the DS were about open-minded inclusion, but now I see the same sneering elitism I'm used to seeing from HD gamers.
Here is how I see the future of the gaming handheld market: Nintendo handhelds are going to remain popular with children, hardcore Nintendo fans and Japan. Sony handhelds are going to remain popular with Japan. I see the western 15 to 34 demographic (outside of hardcore Nintendo fans) mainly embracing smartphone gaming over dedicated handheld gaming. However there's always going to be niche gamers (ie. jrpg gamers, western fans of niche otaku-ish games like Ace Attorney, Harvest Moon) and avid gamers that believe that dedicated gaming handhelds and the $40 games are well worth the premium. The market has changed ever since the western male 15 to 34 crowd stopped giving a fuck about playing God of War and Grand Theft Auto on handhelds (compare recent Ghost of Sparta sales to Chain of Olympus sales if you wanna see what I mean). There are people who care about God of War on PSP. But they are in that minority avid gamer camp. For most guys, God of War on PS3 is good enough for them. They don't care too much about God of War on the go anymore.
Yeah but how many of those iPhone/iPod sales are actually upgrades from the older models. I doubt the install base is anywhere near 187M.
The same is easily said of game consoles or any other consumer electronics. I myself have a broken Wii and a broken DS Lite that I've bought replacements for. The 3DS is the only console currently on sale which didn't go on the market before the iPhone launched, and these consoles are all more likely to have hardware failures because they have more moving parts than an iDevice. Furthermore, upgraded devices (including those old consoles from 2006) tend to get resold to new users, and even first generation iDevices still have value in used and refurbished markets.
Trying to parse which platforms have more devices in landfills and sock drawers is a near impossible thing to measure. It's easiest to just take for granted that moving more units means the platform is healthier.
Well for one I wasnt talking about failure that need replacement, every electronic device has this. I was refering to people upgrading to the new models. I wouldnt say the same could be said for game consoles, with each new iPhone more and more features are being added not to mention quality of the service they provide increase as well. That cant be said for game consoles, the opposite for the PS3, sorry for the dig just proving a point. The basic feature of the game consoles never change, and old models can be updated via firmware to do what the new models do. The same cant be said for iPhones or any phone for that matter.
Plus I just read an article that states that 77% of iPhone 4 buyers from the launch were upgrade buyers from previous iPhone models. Now I am sure that number has come down but I would bet its still a significant number
Even if a third are upgrading, it's still an enormous number. And not only is it a big number, it's growth is staggering as well. And when you consider that every unit has sold for a substantial profit, from a business perspective it's jaw dropping.
Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.
Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.
Yeah but how many of those iPhone/iPod sales are actually upgrades from the older models. I doubt the install base is anywhere near 187M.
The install base for games sure isn't LOL
Well, good for Apple, still even 300m would not kill console gaming, this people buys apps, generally cheaper ones, real gaming experiences are not there, even if some big brands are having portings of some kind.
LOL! I would LOVE to read your explanation on that one.
Shall I keep going? I've got PLENTY! I haven't even whipped out Angry Birds, Crystal Defenders, Dungeon Defenders, Demon Hunter, Illusia, Stupid Zombies, Plants vs Zombies, Ninjump, Super Dynamite Fishing or Spectral Souls yet.
Do you even have a smart phone? By your response my guess would be "No" because they DO offer "Real Gaming Experiences".
iPhones and Android phones have "Games" like Pilotwings too you know. Actually come to think of it, they have plenty of games like it, except they only cost $.99-$4.99 instead of $34.99-$39.99.
iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.
Currently playing:
Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)
The same is easily said of game consoles or any other consumer electronics. I myself have a broken Wii and a broken DS Lite that I've bought replacements for. The 3DS is the only console currently on sale which didn't go on the market before the iPhone launched, and these consoles are all more likely to have hardware failures because they have more moving parts than an iDevice. Furthermore, upgraded devices (including those old consoles from 2006) tend to get resold to new users, and even first generation iDevices still have value in used and refurbished markets.
Trying to parse which platforms have more devices in landfills and sock drawers is a near impossible thing to measure. It's easiest to just take for granted that moving more units means the platform is healthier.
Well for one I wasnt talking about failure that need replacement, every electronic device has this. I was refering to people upgrading to the new models. I wouldnt say the same could be said for game consoles, with each new iPhone more and more features are being added not to mention quality of the service they provide increase as well. That cant be said for game consoles, the opposite for the PS3, sorry for the dig just proving a point. The basic feature of the game consoles never change, and old models can be updated via firmware to do what the new models do. The same cant be said for iPhones or any phone for that matter.
Plus I just read an article that states that 77% of iPhone 4 buyers from the launch were upgrade buyers from previous iPhone models. Now I am sure that number has come down but I would bet its still a significant number
I dont think you can say the same for the console revisions that have been made.
There's no denying that a significant number of users upgrade every year, but you can't simply subtract upgraders from the installed base. The devices that these people upgrade from get traded in and resold through refurb outfits, put up on ebay, or just handed down to a friend or family member. The point is that they still get used, and their new owners may very well keep buying new software and other content, and even turn into upgraders themselves down the line.
You paint it as a negative, but loyal upgraders may actually be helping to drive the expansion of the installed base by providing a steady supply of discounted and inherited iDevices.
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heck I owned 4 Iphones.. a iPhone4 which I still use.. gave my 3gs to my gf.. my 3g to my parents and before that my second gen to my brother.. it's not like they are obsolete when the next one comes out.. (My company demands that I have the latest stuff on mobile devices.. I also have a recent Blackberry and an iPad) and I'm glad more and more people are seeing iOS and android phones as a gaming device..
Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!)
