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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Social Darwnism isn't really illogical.

It's just evil.


I mean, it would be logical to sterlize everyone with aids.

If we did that aids would be errdicated.

It would be logical to sterilize everyone who could pass on genetic disorders.  By doing so we would of eliminated genetic disorders.

There is a lot that is logical that is "evil".

Ruling soley by logic is dangerous.

 

People should still be allowed to marry whoever they damn well please though.

What does that have to do with the holocaust? The reasons why Jews were hated were illogical.


Not much.  I was reffering to


"Rationality is good because it implies the best possible solution."

But of the premise is wrong, then the whole argument is irrational. Exterminating Jews is irrational, because doing that solves nothing.

Yet i gave above reasons of social darwinism that do make sense.

Well, you;re right, but not necessarily. Those genetical problems contribute to gentic variety, which is a godo thing. And you don't have to sterlize people with AIDS. All you have to do is isolate them from society.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Social Darwnism isn't really illogical.

It's just evil.


I mean, it would be logical to sterlize everyone with aids.

If we did that aids would be errdicated.

It would be logical to sterilize everyone who could pass on genetic disorders.  By doing so we would of eliminated genetic disorders.

There is a lot that is logical that is "evil".

Ruling soley by logic is dangerous.

 

People should still be allowed to marry whoever they damn well please though.

What does that have to do with the holocaust? The reasons why Jews were hated were illogical.


Not much.  I was reffering to


"Rationality is good because it implies the best possible solution."

But of the premise is wrong, then the whole argument is irrational. Exterminating Jews is irrational, because doing that solves nothing.

Yet i gave above reasons of social darwinism that do make sense.

Well, you;re right, but not necessarily. Those genetical problems contribute to gentic variety, which is a godo thing. And you don't have to sterlize people with AIDS. All you have to do is isolate them from society.

Not really.  You can get genetic variety without the genetic diseases.  There is a reason why genetic diseases die out in every other race.

Also, yeah, you could isolate people with aids, though they'd still have children... and we'll it'd still be an awful thing to do.

Humanity more or less has broken the chain of evolution.  Surivival of the fittist doesn't really happen anymore, even if it would be "logical."

There are plenty of things that could be done from current knowledge to make a more logical society.... they would mostly all suck though, and that's why we don't do them.



Well it should be banned.



shouldn't be banned, but in a way it's just wrong.



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Kasz216 said:

Not really.  You can get genetic variety without the genetic diseases.  There is a reason why genetic diseases die out in every other race.

Also, yeah, you could isolate people with aids, though they'd still have children... and we'll it'd still be an awful thing to do.

Humanity more or less has broken the chain of evolution.  Surivival of the fittist doesn't really happen anymore, even if it would be "logical."

There are plenty of things that could be done from current knowledge to make a more logical society.... they would mostly all suck though, and that's why we don't do them.

Well, maybe we'll do them one day. Or maybe we'll jsut find some ways to correct those problems without sending people to concentration camps.



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szerbijn said:

shouldn't be banned, but in a way it's just wrong.


Seriously?



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sapphi_snake said:
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NinjaguyDan said:

NOBODY has the right to tell you, me or anyone! who they can or cannot love.


correct

 

but some rules have to be laid down

 

and rules are laid down according to the majority

Rules should be laid down according to ration. The majority certainly doesn't think rationally, hence why they aren't allowed (or shouldn't be allowed) to vote on civil rights.

The constitution grants everybody the right to be an idiot (how do you think Obama got voted into office?), how dare you try to take that right away!



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sapphi_snake said:

@pizzahut451:


This is what's called "false premise". There's nothing rational about it, and that's because that information is simply not true. Of course you don't understand rational arguments so...

To them it was true, and it was the most rational thing to do.


Rationality doesn't change. Something isn't rational because most people say it is. Something is rational if it fulfills all the necessary conditions. You should read some philosphy or rhetoric books. Hitler didn't appeal to people's reason, he appealed to their emotions and their prejudices. He had no rational arguments.

The point of rationality is the that people get the best possible soulution out if it, But what one person think its the best way of thinking to solution, the other might differ. And thus if you beleive morals are subjective so are rational thoughts. Rationality is a tzpe of correct thingking, and when it comes to thinking every person has diffrent view on doing so.


I think you ashould actually read Weber's theories. You obviously have misunderstood him completely (not to mention that he's in no way the supreme instance when it comes to rationality).

Ugh, what the hell? How did I misunderstood him. I used him as an example to show that there are more types of rationality,and belief value system is one of them. What is there to understand? Its not a rocket science.


Read books about rationality. Actually read them, and you'll find out.

Why dont you tell me if you know?

Give me a rational, absolute, reason why staying a virgin 'till marriage is a good thing.

Well, I hardly see what this has to do with our discussion, but it makes your first time a lot more special and better, especially if you beleive in that moral on yourself.


Morals are man made. Everything regarding human culture and society is man made, including religion and the deity you worship.

We disagree, there is not way to know this. Lets end it there.


Rules of logic aren't individual. He was a delusional paranoic person. His premises were all false, and his beleifs were irrational. The morals that you talk about are those who have a basis in rationality, but most morals don't.

He sure was some delusional paranoic person to convince over 60 million people to follow him, huh? He had his way of rational thinking and logic. His version rational thoughts to the solution of the jewish problem and his idea was widely accepted back than.

False until proven otherwise.

Actually, it hasnt been proved false so you cant call it false. Give me evidence of God being false, than I ll believe you





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@pizzahut451:

To them it was true, and it was the most rational thing to do.

You don't seem to understand what rationality is.

The point of rationality is the that people get the best possible soulution out if it, But what one person think its the best way of thinking to solution, the other might differ. And thus if you beleive morals are subjective so are rational thoughts. Rationality is a tzpe of correct thingking, and when it comes to thinking every person has diffrent view on doing so.

Actually using the rational method all people should come to the same conclusion. There's nu subjectivity involved, because rational thinking is a process that requires following strict rules.

Ugh, what the hell? How did I misunderstood him. I used him as an example to show that there are more types of rationality,and belief value system is one of them. What is there to understand? Its not a rocket science.

So you admit that you didn't undertsand what he said.

Why dont you tell me if you know?

And make your life easier? No.

Well, I hardly see what this has to do with our discussion, but it makes your first time a lot more special and better, especially if you beleive in that moral on yourself.

If you take into consideration all variables there's no guarantee that it will be either more special or better. All these depend on prefrences of the person. The last part is circular logic.

We disagree, there is not way to know this. Lets end it there.

OK, cover your ears and go LALALALALA.

He sure was some delusional paranoic person to convince over 60 million people to follow him, huh? He had his way of rational thinking and logic. His version rational thoughts to the solution of the jewish problem and his idea was widely accepted back than.

Widely accepted by whom? The period when Hitler rose to power was perfect for the type of leader he was: the charismatic dictator. Post WWI the German economy had plundered, people were living in poverty and disillusioned, and then came Hitler promising to save them and make Germany more powerful then ever. He even created a skapegoat, the Jews (a population that for centuries was persecuted in Germany thanks to Christian thought). There was no "Jewish problem", which makes all of Hitler's arguments irrational. And the fact that he managed to manipulate people and get his ideeas "widely accepted" in no way validate them or make them rational. Something isn't rational because you want it to be.

Actually, it hasnt been proved false so you cant call it false. Give me evidence of God being false, than I ll believe you

Not only have the peopel making such claims never been able to offer evidence, they also have never ben able to present any reasons why one should think such an entity exists. I have no reason to think your deity exists, and the best evidence I can provide of it's non-existence is the fact that there's nothign to suggest otherwise.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)