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MaxwellGT2000 said:

I really can't believe people are saying such outlandish things, "we've never seen a market leader flater!" uh yeah, there were times in the PS1 and PS2 line up where it was just dreadful, know what kept one summer from having zero games to play?  MARS ATTACKS... you know the game that bombed this gen... and well every single time it released after the first... wanna know why the first sold decent enough to warrent a new one?  Cause it released when there was nothing else halfway decent to buy on the PS2.

Seriously people give too much credit to past generations and too much credit to PS3 and 360 games, just because a corporation hypes a game doesn't mean that game is anything more than mediocre, it's just in past generations mediocre games weren't hyped at all and garnered no attention, but they've realized some segments of gamers will go out of their way to buy terrible games if they're marketed to... and they don't mind doing this when it costs them so much more to break even now.

lol Maxwell.

Okay. The Wii's worst SW droughts have come in (arguably 2009) 2010 and now 2011 currently. These Years are the 4th and 5th Wii Years. Let's take a look at what big SW the PS1 and PS2 had launching in the 4th and 5th Years. Yey for lists.

PS1 4th Year -
Tekken 3
Resident Evil 2
Metal Gear Solid
Spyro the Dragon
Xenogears

PS1 5th Year -
Silent Hill
Final Fantasy VIII
Resident Evil 3

PS2 4th Year -
Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Final Fantasy XI
Burnout 3
Silent Hill 4
THUG 2
MK Deception
GTA: San Andreas
Killzone
Ratchet and Clank 3
Jak 3
NFS: Underground 2
Metal Gear Solid 3

PS2 5th Year (The Year that "Mars Attacks" released)-
Mercenaries
Gran Turismo 4
Tekken 5
Devil May Cry 3
God of War
LEGO Star Wars
Sly 3
The Warriors
Shadow of the Colossus
Guitar Hero
Dragon Quest VIII
Soul Calibur 3

Just so you know too with Destroy All Humans, it released the same day as Psychonauts. It released not long after LEGO Star Wars and Star Wars Episode 3. It launched in the same Month as Medal of Honor. You're wrong. There were things worth buying on PS2 at that certain time, and that's ignoring the "Evergreen" titles that sold so well. Destroy All Humans sold well because it was advertised well, it was a cool/unique concept at the time and released very close to War of the Worlds, which was huge at the Box Office and brought interest to the whole "Ooh, Aliens!" thing.

The 5th Year of PS1 and PS2 was the Year that a new gen started. I can understand saying that the PS1 had SW droughts, but the PS2 absolutely destroyed everything ever in terms of SW released. It has over 10,000 games and has sold over 1.5 Billion units of SW. To say the PS2 had bad streaks of SW in its first 5/6 Years is simply stupid.

Oh, and it's really funny that you say people give too much credit to the PS3/360 libraries in the same post that you're defending the Wii SW situation



                            

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Carl2291 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:

I really can't believe people are saying such outlandish things, "we've never seen a market leader flater!" uh yeah, there were times in the PS1 and PS2 line up where it was just dreadful, know what kept one summer from having zero games to play?  MARS ATTACKS... you know the game that bombed this gen... and well every single time it released after the first... wanna know why the first sold decent enough to warrent a new one?  Cause it released when there was nothing else halfway decent to buy on the PS2.

Seriously people give too much credit to past generations and too much credit to PS3 and 360 games, just because a corporation hypes a game doesn't mean that game is anything more than mediocre, it's just in past generations mediocre games weren't hyped at all and garnered no attention, but they've realized some segments of gamers will go out of their way to buy terrible games if they're marketed to... and they don't mind doing this when it costs them so much more to break even now.

lol Maxwell.

Okay. The Wii's worst SW droughts have come in (arguably 2009) 2010 and now 2011 currently. These Years are the 4th and 5th Wii Years. Let's take a look at what big SW the PS1 and PS2 had launching in the 4th and 5th Years. Yey for lists.

PS1 4th Year -
Tekken 3
Resident Evil 2
Metal Gear Solid
Spyro the Dragon
Xenogears

PS1 5th Year -
Silent Hill
Final Fantasy VIII
Resident Evil 3

PS2 4th Year -
Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel
Final Fantasy XI
Burnout 3
Silent Hill 4
THUG 2
MK Deception
GTA: San Andreas
Killzone
Ratchet and Clank 3
Jak 3
NFS: Underground 2
Metal Gear Solid 3

PS2 5th Year (The Year that "Mars Attacks" released)-
Mercenaries
Gran Turismo 4
Tekken 5
Devil May Cry 3
God of War
LEGO Star Wars
Sly 3
The Warriors
Shadow of the Colossus
Guitar Hero
Dragon Quest VIII
Soul Calibur 3

Just so you know too with Destroy All Humans, it released the same day as Psychonauts. It released not long after LEGO Star Wars and Star Wars Episode 3. It launched in the same Month as Medal of Honor. You're wrong. There were things worth buying on PS2 at that certain time, and that's ignoring the "Evergreen" titles that sold so well. Destroy All Humans sold well because it was advertised well, it was a cool/unique concept at the time and released very close to War of the Worlds, which was huge at the Box Office and brought interest to the whole "Ooh, Aliens!" thing.

The 5th Year of PS1 and PS2 was the Year that a new gen started. I can understand saying that the PS1 had SW droughts, but the PS2 absolutely destroyed everything ever in terms of SW released. It has over 10,000 games and has sold over 1.5 Billion units of SW. To say the PS2 had bad streaks of SW in its first 5/6 Years is simply stupid.

Oh, and it's really funny that you say people give too much credit to the PS3/360 libraries in the same post that you're defending the Wii SW situation


*le sigh* No, you're not understanding the concept of not having anything releasing within a certain time frame, I'm really sorry you have to grasp at straws that some of those games happen to be good, or even good sellers.  And yeah I screwed up that title, Destroy All Humans is rather forgetable and the plot is rather similar to that crappy movie so I associate the two.

Basically that summer drought in games was rather brutal and even X-play commented on it in their review of Destroy all Humans.  Psychonauts was a rather shoddy port on PS2 that was originally developed for PC and Xbox and already months old at the time of release on PS2.  And last gen FPS titles weren't good on consoles, it wasn't till this gen they started to take some hints from GoldenEye and Halo...

So June... yeah lots of choice there, a new unique concept, a port that was late to the game and ran worse, or a game that was better on PC, choices choices...



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MaxwellGT2000 said:

*le sigh* No, you're not understanding the concept of not having anything releasing within a certain time frame, I'm really sorry you have to grasp at straws that some of those games happen to be good, or even good sellers.  And yeah I screwed up that title, Destroy All Humans is rather forgetable and the plot is rather similar to that crappy movie so I associate the two.

Basically that summer drought in games was rather brutal and even X-play commented on it in their review of Destroy all Humans.  Psychonauts was a rather shoddy port on PS2 that was originally developed for PC and Xbox and already months old at the time of release on PS2.  And last gen FPS titles weren't good on consoles, it wasn't till this gen they started to take some hints from GoldenEye and Halo...

So June... yeah lots of choice there, a new unique concept, a port that was late to the game and ran worse, or a game that was better on PC, choices choices...

I perfectly understand it, it's just that there was plenty to choose from. Just as a FYI, that's also YOUR opinion that FPS games weren't good. It's a subjective point. You think they're bad. I didn't. Sales of a whole bunch of them say they were good and people lked them... Not just Halo and GoldenEye were big sellers. Medal of Honor says "Hey there!", and Call of Duty says "I was there too!"... Also want to add that Call of Duty 4 was bigger for the FPS genre than GoldenEye and Halo combined. But that's for another discussion...

Anyway, back to your post. I'm grasping at straws? What? You say Destroy All Humans was the only thing worthwhile releasing for PS2 in Summer '05, I show you a number of games around it and I'm grasping at straws? Firstly, get a grip and secondly, do your research before you post something so silly.

LEGO Star Wars sold over 3 Million units.
Star Wars Episode 3 sold over 3 Million units.
Medal of Honor European Assault sold over 1.5 Million units.
Destroy All Humans, the game that you for some reason singled out, sold under 1 Million units (We only have data from America, but meh) and we don't have data for the PS2 version of Psychonauts.

Yeah. I'm really grasping at straws picking out 3 games that sold more copies than it, that released close to it. Really.



                            

people still hating on PS2??? let it go!



If The Wii was selling as much as the 2 HD combined then it would be on par.

The Wii is not competing with the HD twins. 

The HD twins are going after the same market. If only one HD consule existed it would be kicking

the Wii's ass right now. 

 

Right now the Wii is totaly geting its ass handed to itself.  Dont be fooled 

 



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Games4Fun said:
chocoloco said:
Games4Fun said:
chocoloco said:
Play4Fun said:
chocoloco said:

Your preference is cool, but i truthfully think most games the wii sells would be $10-$15 games sold on xbox arcade or psn network. I'm thinking of games like flower, castle chrashers, braid, trine, splosionion man, ilomilo, fat princesss, shadow complex, and Laura Croft and the gaurdian of light, not to mention many more I have not played. I hate to say it, but many of the wii games cost $50 dollars that are equivalent or worse than the games i mentioned and others sold at a more fair rate through psn and arcade.


Not this shit again.

So my opinion is shit,I am tempted to report you. I own all three systems so I can say that I think it is the case for many wii games especially 2D platformers.

To be honest you are pretty much flamebaiting, but it doesnt really matter. For everyone who feels the way you do theres just as many that feel that way about the games you enjoy. Same with the games. For every example of a $50 dollar game you feel is worth 15 theres just as many 50-60 ones on your system people feel are worth 15 or less too. Does it really matter to anyone not running a buisness involved? No. Some people need to learn to enjoy their games and stop degrading what someone else likes because they dont. Having a actual discussion as to why you feel this or that way can be interesting, but not with such attitudes normally found on these boards.


Since when is giving an opinion thart may not be popular flaimbaiting, If we al agreed we would be boring, smiling zommies running aroung tipping my hat at  everyone say "good day kind sir."  I think unless yoyu hace all three systems like me you can not compare my opinion

Most peoples opinions are base of of limited experience with ome console, my experience comes from owning and playing all three consoles. So I can claim to be somewhat fair and balncedin my opinion. Once again the key word is opinion.

Or its there experience with consoles from past gens included. Not everyone goes out and buys a console they are unsure about. So owning or not owning doesnt really matter. IF they played games on a system and know they are not into it why would they waste money on it?Theres a reason why they didnt purchase it, or did and got rid of it in the past. Sure they have not played every game that console has to try but really who has? Even the ones that own the system dont like everygame and disagree on them.

I  want to know where I implied everyone needs to agree and be all happy. What I said is discussions can be interesting, but not with a lot of the types on these boards. For instance flamebaiting. Disliking a game or a system is different then degrading it. Theres reasons why you feel some game is worth 15. That can be a discussion.  You have been on these boards long enough to know what will and wont piss some people off. Examples: Wii is for the kiddies, PS3 has no games: Wii is doomed: Xbox is nothing but shooters: etc etc Its not hard to get a opinion across in a respectable manner.

I think ownership of a console matters a great deal on these forums because it shows alot about bias and motivation. When a person owns all the consoles it more likely shows a motivation to talk about a vast array of great games and not to try to push one brand. 

I feel like people act like if someone says something another may not like  they are treated like flaimbaiter and or trolls when they were only trying to convey an opinion. I never recently degraded the wii only spoke of the weaknesses I see in it so to claim I am flaiming to get a rise out of people is incorrect, I just wanted to bring my opinion to the table.If you don't like my opinions do not read stuff written by josh/chocoloco because  I call it how I see it whether people like what I have to say or not.



RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

Since when is giving an opinion thart may not be popular flaimbaiting, If we al agreed we would be boring, smiling zommies running aroung tipping my hat at  everyone say "good day kind sir."  I think unless yoyu hace all three systems like me you can not compare my opinion

Most peoples opinions are base of of limited experience with ome console, my experience comes from owning and playing all three consoles. So I can claim to be somewhat fair and balncedin my opinion. Once again the key word is opinion.

Not really. Owning and playing all consoles only means that you had first hand experience with each one of them, but that's a completely different issue from being fair and balanced. Some of the worst trolls on VGC were multiconsole owners, so your experience doesn't exactly make for a good defence.

You are, of course, still free to have an opinion. I just wanted to point out how flawed it is to think that ownership or lack thereof results in a more or less fair and balanced view.

True, but a first hand source is always better than a second hand sourse.     And just so the world knows I keep my wii around for Skyward sword hoping for a great game.    Rol you can be such a logical hypocrite sometimes. lol.



chocoloco said:
Games4Fun said:
chocoloco said:
Games4Fun said:
chocoloco said:
Play4Fun said:
chocoloco said:

Your preference is cool, but i truthfully think most games the wii sells would be $10-$15 games sold on xbox arcade or psn network. I'm thinking of games like flower, castle chrashers, braid, trine, splosionion man, ilomilo, fat princesss, shadow complex, and Laura Croft and the gaurdian of light, not to mention many more I have not played. I hate to say it, but many of the wii games cost $50 dollars that are equivalent or worse than the games i mentioned and others sold at a more fair rate through psn and arcade.


Not this shit again.

So my opinion is shit,I am tempted to report you. I own all three systems so I can say that I think it is the case for many wii games especially 2D platformers.

To be honest you are pretty much flamebaiting, but it doesnt really matter. For everyone who feels the way you do theres just as many that feel that way about the games you enjoy. Same with the games. For every example of a $50 dollar game you feel is worth 15 theres just as many 50-60 ones on your system people feel are worth 15 or less too. Does it really matter to anyone not running a buisness involved? No. Some people need to learn to enjoy their games and stop degrading what someone else likes because they dont. Having a actual discussion as to why you feel this or that way can be interesting, but not with such attitudes normally found on these boards.


Since when is giving an opinion thart may not be popular flaimbaiting, If we al agreed we would be boring, smiling zommies running aroung tipping my hat at  everyone say "good day kind sir."  I think unless yoyu hace all three systems like me you can not compare my opinion

Most peoples opinions are base of of limited experience with ome console, my experience comes from owning and playing all three consoles. So I can claim to be somewhat fair and balncedin my opinion. Once again the key word is opinion.

Or its there experience with consoles from past gens included. Not everyone goes out and buys a console they are unsure about. So owning or not owning doesnt really matter. IF they played games on a system and know they are not into it why would they waste money on it?Theres a reason why they didnt purchase it, or did and got rid of it in the past. Sure they have not played every game that console has to try but really who has? Even the ones that own the system dont like everygame and disagree on them.

I  want to know where I implied everyone needs to agree and be all happy. What I said is discussions can be interesting, but not with a lot of the types on these boards. For instance flamebaiting. Disliking a game or a system is different then degrading it. Theres reasons why you feel some game is worth 15. That can be a discussion.  You have been on these boards long enough to know what will and wont piss some people off. Examples: Wii is for the kiddies, PS3 has no games: Wii is doomed: Xbox is nothing but shooters: etc etc Its not hard to get a opinion across in a respectable manner.

I think ownership of a console matters a great deal on these forums because it shows alot about bias and motivation. When a person owns all the consoles it more likely shows a motivation to talk about a vast array of great games and not to try to push one brand. 

I feel like people act like if someone says something another may not like  they are treated like flaimbaiter and or trolls when they were only trying to convey an opinion. I never recently degraded the wii only spoke of the weaknesses I see in it so to claim I am flaiming to get a rise out of people is incorrect, I just wanted to bring my opinion to the table.If you don't like my opinions do not read stuff written by josh/chocoloco because  I call it how I see it whether people like what I have to say or not.

I suppose we are just repeating ourselves, so I really see no need to keep going.



oniyide said:

people still hating on PS2??? let it go!


If by people you mean me, no I don't hate on PS2, I think most of last gen was utter crap but I did enjoy not having sub par games hyped up, cause their last gen equivilant would be 20 dollars cheaper and 4 times longer... still I really wouldn't want to play a sub par game for 20 hours or just 5...

Anyway PS2 had times when not that great of games came out, it had a lot of shovelware, in fact a lot of the Wii shovelware began life on PS2, but that's the point market leaders had dips in their release libraries, the problem being the big PS2 fans that liked the "meh" games of last gen look at Wii and see games that are totally different to those that they're accustomed to so they see them all as unimportant or not fun titles.

I guess the way to hit the nail on the head is you see how a lot of people that enjoy the Wii don't notice these "long droughts" in games?  Because they see plenty of games they enjoy, these gamers are often like me and see cinematic games that don't focus on the game play as "meh" titles so the spans between PS2 titles that focused on game play AKA games that appeal to our demographic were pretty long periods.

So simple, I'm not hating on PS2, there were just long periods where games for my demographic didn't come out on it, and to look at it from the demographic that enjoyed the PS2 titles, they look at Wii and there are large gaps between titles that appeal to them come out on the system. 

Thing is I nor a lot of other people I know went onto message boards and whine about the PS2, but for the life of me I can't seem to understand why people feel the need to whine about a console's release schedule they proudly proclaim to not own.  I always own multiple consoles cause I know even though a console might not have a lot of games appealing to me cause I'm a different demographic there will usually be exclusives that do.

Sorry for the long rant especially if this wasn't targeted at me



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^^^^so...you just like Ninty consoles and games more??? THeres nothing wrong with that, but what are these shovelware games that started on PS2? because unless im mistaking i dont remember seeing a biggest loser, a fireplace simulator, generic tennis game 8, the bachelor, Glee or anything like that on PS2. You might not care for those cinematic games and what not, but too sit there and act like there wasnt butt loads of games coming out for PS2 all the time is just false. find me a year not counting the 1st where the PS2 was not receiving games of import. Yes PS2 had its "shovelware" but they got great 3rd party support form every genre at the time. You cant say that for me. What has come out this year?? a 2d platformer that bombed, a Mario Sports game made by SE of all people and thats it. If thats not a drought i dont know what is. Have you ever thought that people whine about Wii's release schedule because it stuffing most of your good games at the tail end of the year sucks??? No other console on the market has that problem right now. it isnt some conspiracy against Wii people are complaining cause there annoyed