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Zlejedi on 04 April 2011
RolStoppable said:
NYANKS said:

Oh, not at all.  I don't consider this any great achievment for them at all.  I prefer to focus on the Wii, it seems to be all about that console.  The fact that things have gone so badly is the headline here to me.  To me the other two have stayed relevant mostly, while the Wii has disintegrated relatively speaking.  I just feel like the two HD consoles were just going about their business of trying to draw in consumer with games and such, and the Wii just imploded.  Seems isolated, which is why I don't get all the comparisons.  The Wii only looks healthy because it was so high to begin with.  The collapse may get worse, who knows.  Like I said before, we've never really seen this.  I'm truly curious.

We've seen this in every generation so far, although there is a major difference this time.

If you look at any of the past consoles, you can usually see an interesting trend in the years three to five. Some consoles stay at a constant sales level while others start to drop off sharply and never recover. We are seeing the same pattern this generation. The reason for a decline or lack thereof is third party support. By year three third parties usually have picked a winner, so that console gets continually supported while the others of any given generation get increasingly ignored.

The major difference is that this gen third parties didn't pick the winner in sales. The Wii's sales curve is in line with systems like the Nintendo 64, the Gamecube, the Xbox, the Saturn and so on. The 360's and PS3's sales curves are in line with NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2. Once you've realized this you know how things will play out from here on out. The Wii will continue its steep decline selling several million units less with each passing year until it hits rock bottom while the 360 and PS3 will see a more gradual decline over the coming years.

There was a chance that the Wii would maintain higher sales levels despite its lack of third party support, but that would have required Nintendo to continue to put out killer apps at unprecedented levels. That really is the only possible way to make up for a lack of third party support. Games that are "only" good just don't cut it.

Oh they have precesily chosen the winner in sales. By this point of time it should be pretty obvious that costs of porting beetween platforms must be low enought that combined PS3/X360/PC development together with DLC potential is lot more attractive.



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chocoloco on 04 April 2011
RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

I hate to say this, but I dont understand the llongivity of the enjoyment of the wii. I played a few decent games and gave it to my step mom, she quit wii fit. My two step bros who owna 360 and ps3 between them never play the wii. it just sits there with four potential gamers having no interest.

I am just writing this to say I am shocked by anyone that can be amused by the wii alone for more than a year. It only amused me for ABOUT 4 MONTHS AND THAN i REALIZED i HAD PLAYED MOST OF THE GAMES BY nINTENDO ALREADY WORTH PLAYING.

I just can't see enjoyment longevity in that system.

The idea of consoles is to buy new games, if you are getting bored of the ones you own.

Yeah, but when you got a 360 and ps3 you have many options all I am saying is I think the options are less exciting than the other two systems which eventually ltranslates to less sales. Like comparing the wii in 2008 or 2009 to 2011. The other systems just have more options ifor me and my step famalies preferances. Only an anecdote, but I don't care.



SaviorX on 04 April 2011
Conegamer said:
SaviorX said:

 

Time for a history lesson:

 GameCube HW & SW (GC)  Americas 12.94/138.48  Japan 4.04/ 27.54  EMEAA 4.77/ 42.55

Total 21.75/ 208.57

 

Originally priced $200 on 11/14/01 at launch, GC ended up $99 by 9/25/03. By that time, the GC sold 9.4 million units.

Wii HW & SW   Americas 41.18/383.38  Japan 11.55/55.57  EMEAA 33.45/215.67

Total 86.18/654.62

 

Originally priced $250 on 11/16/06 at launch, Wii ended up $199 by 9/27/09. By that time, the Wii sold 53 million units.

Console

Million Sellers

500,000 sellers

300,000 sellers

GC

41

54

67

Wii

109

216

360

 

Now, for modern day times:

PS3 178,305(-3%)  Wii 161,128(0%) X360 149,140(-5%)

 

-          This past weeks sales worldwide. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, given a different perspective, this could make the PS3/360 look bad.

-          In Japan, Wii only got 5 more games than the PLAYSTATION TWO this year while the PS3 received triple the amount of software. Despite that, the PS3 has sold only 150k more hardware units over there. I’ll give Sony credit though, it is at a higher price :)

-          The Xbox360, the most heavily supported console this generation, has undergone a console relaunch that is not even infant old (9 months) and it has fallen behind in sales on a worldwide scale. The only potential system seller it has coming up is 25 weeks away, and the 3rd entry in a series (Gears 3). The Wii hasn’t got a lick of support throughout the entirety of its first 120 days this year, and has maintained sales somehow.

-          Overall, I wouldn’t expect a Wii 2 until Nov. 2012. When Nintendo was enjoying success as a market leader with the NES, they stayed for 6 years before moving on; I expect the same thing here.

-          DS came 2 years before Wii, GBA came 5 months before GC, and the GB came 2 years before SNES…the correlation between them…I can’t make one :P

 

What hope does the Wii have this year? GENERIC LIST WAR TIME.

What we know: Zelda, Kirby, Pandora’s Tower, Last Story, Earth Seeker, Xenoblade (Chronicles), Tales of Graces F, Conduit 2, Rodea, and some E3 stuff.

 What we guess is coming: Vitality Sensor and maybe a New Super Mario Bros.2; I don’t like speculation.

 Reggie said they aren’t pullin the plug on the Wii until it sells 45m in Americas. Start the countdown…

I like this. I like this a lot. You speak a lot of sense and make a well thought out argument. You're a 

(Mind if I add this to the OP? At least some of it)

I don't mind at all; go ahead!



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Games4Fun on 04 April 2011
chocoloco said:
RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

I hate to say this, but I dont understand the llongivity of the enjoyment of the wii. I played a few decent games and gave it to my step mom, she quit wii fit. My two step bros who owna 360 and ps3 between them never play the wii. it just sits there with four potential gamers having no interest.

I am just writing this to say I am shocked by anyone that can be amused by the wii alone for more than a year. It only amused me for ABOUT 4 MONTHS AND THAN i REALIZED i HAD PLAYED MOST OF THE GAMES BY nINTENDO ALREADY WORTH PLAYING.

I just can't see enjoyment longevity in that system.

The idea of consoles is to buy new games, if you are getting bored of the ones you own.

Yeah, but when you got a 360 and ps3 you have many options all I am saying is I think the options are less exciting than the other two systems which eventually ltranslates to less sales. Like comparing the wii in 2008 or 2009 to 2011. The other systems just have more options ifor me and my step famalies preferances. Only an anecdote, but I don't care.

Thats pretty much a software preference. For instance I own 44 Wii games and love everyone of them. The only game I find interestng on XBOX is Project Gotham so it would diffently be really dusty by now if I had ever went got one. With PS3 only a handful of games there too. My bother actually does own a PS3 but he just uses it for NETFLIX and to play BLue Ray movies. Granted hes not much of a game player, so im actually not sure why he got it at all.



Conegamer on 04 April 2011
chocoloco said:
RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

I hate to say this, but I dont understand the llongivity of the enjoyment of the wii. I played a few decent games and gave it to my step mom, she quit wii fit. My two step bros who owna 360 and ps3 between them never play the wii. it just sits there with four potential gamers having no interest.

I am just writing this to say I am shocked by anyone that can be amused by the wii alone for more than a year. It only amused me for ABOUT 4 MONTHS AND THAN i REALIZED i HAD PLAYED MOST OF THE GAMES BY nINTENDO ALREADY WORTH PLAYING.

I just can't see enjoyment longevity in that system.

The idea of consoles is to buy new games, if you are getting bored of the ones you own.

Yeah, but when you got a 360 and ps3 you have many options all I am saying is I think the options are less exciting than the other two systems which eventually ltranslates to less sales. Like comparing the wii in 2008 or 2009 to 2011. The other systems just have more options ifor me and my step famalies preferances. Only an anecdote, but I don't care.

Have you thought about maybe...looking into the games they have? Look at the Wii reccomendation guide if you need help.

I have around 65 games for my Wii, and it's my console of choice, despite having the other home consoles. I just think the games are better. It just takes a long time to find good games, but '10 shows that quality Wii games are plentiful. If you can't find any games which interest you then you're missing out, I'm sure plenty of people will tell you that



 

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Conegamer on 04 April 2011

I've now updated the OP with your bit SaviourX



 

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Nintendogamer on 04 April 2011

I wonder how accuare VGCharzt are and if they are then good work, but we will find out April 25th, (86.80M), you've heard it here first.



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homer on 04 April 2011
Conegamer said:
Despite all this, the Wii is still selling ahead of the 360, and just behind the PS3, and will likely finish on top again this year. Not bad for a d00med console.

Already trying to gloat. o_O

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chocoloco on 05 April 2011
Conegamer said:
chocoloco said:
RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

I hate to say this, but I dont understand the llongivity of the enjoyment of the wii. I played a few decent games and gave it to my step mom, she quit wii fit. My two step bros who owna 360 and ps3 between them never play the wii. it just sits there with four potential gamers having no interest.

I am just writing this to say I am shocked by anyone that can be amused by the wii alone for more than a year. It only amused me for ABOUT 4 MONTHS AND THAN i REALIZED i HAD PLAYED MOST OF THE GAMES BY nINTENDO ALREADY WORTH PLAYING.

I just can't see enjoyment longevity in that system.

The idea of consoles is to buy new games, if you are getting bored of the ones you own.

Yeah, but when you got a 360 and ps3 you have many options all I am saying is I think the options are less exciting than the other two systems which eventually ltranslates to less sales. Like comparing the wii in 2008 or 2009 to 2011. The other systems just have more options ifor me and my step famalies preferances. Only an anecdote, but I don't care.

Have you thought about maybe...looking into the games they have? Look at the Wii reccomendation guide if you need help.

I have around 65 games for my Wii, and it's my console of choice, despite having the other home consoles. I just think the games are better. It just takes a long time to find good games, but '10 shows that quality Wii games are plentiful. If you can't find any games which interest you then you're missing out, I'm sure plenty of people will tell you that

Your preference is cool, but i truthfully think most games the wii sells would be $10-$15 games sold on xbox arcade or psn network. I'm thinking of games like flower, castle chrashers, braid, trine, splosionion man, ilomilo, fat princesss, shadow complex, and Laura Croft and the gaurdian of light, not to mention many more I have not played. I hate to say it, but many of the wii games cost $50 dollars that are equivalent or worse than the games i mentioned and others sold at a more fair rate through psn and arcade.



Play4Fun on 05 April 2011
chocoloco said:
Conegamer said:
chocoloco said:
RolStoppable said:
chocoloco said:

I hate to say this, but I dont understand the llongivity of the enjoyment of the wii. I played a few decent games and gave it to my step mom, she quit wii fit. My two step bros who owna 360 and ps3 between them never play the wii. it just sits there with four potential gamers having no interest.

I am just writing this to say I am shocked by anyone that can be amused by the wii alone for more than a year. It only amused me for ABOUT 4 MONTHS AND THAN i REALIZED i HAD PLAYED MOST OF THE GAMES BY nINTENDO ALREADY WORTH PLAYING.

I just can't see enjoyment longevity in that system.

The idea of consoles is to buy new games, if you are getting bored of the ones you own.

Yeah, but when you got a 360 and ps3 you have many options all I am saying is I think the options are less exciting than the other two systems which eventually ltranslates to less sales. Like comparing the wii in 2008 or 2009 to 2011. The other systems just have more options ifor me and my step famalies preferances. Only an anecdote, but I don't care.

Have you thought about maybe...looking into the games they have? Look at the Wii reccomendation guide if you need help.

I have around 65 games for my Wii, and it's my console of choice, despite having the other home consoles. I just think the games are better. It just takes a long time to find good games, but '10 shows that quality Wii games are plentiful. If you can't find any games which interest you then you're missing out, I'm sure plenty of people will tell you that

Your preference is cool, but i truthfully think most games the wii sells would be $10-$15 games sold on xbox arcade or psn network. I'm thinking of games like flower, castle chrashers, braid, trine, splosionion man, ilomilo, fat princesss, shadow complex, and Laura Croft and the gaurdian of light, not to mention many more I have not played. I hate to say it, but many of the wii games cost $50 dollars that are equivalent or worse than the games i mentioned and others sold at a more fair rate through psn and arcade.


Not this shit again.