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kirby007 on 25 December 2007

i need too change it:P



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ElRhodeo on 25 December 2007
Jetlogs said:
Portal Wii would be awesome.

 

Yeah, I'd prefer a full version of Portal over the whole Orange Box.

 



Currently playing: NSMB (Wii) 

Waiting for: Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii), The Last Story (Wii), Golden Sun (DS), Portal 2 (Wii? or OSX), Metroid: Other M (Wii), 
... and of course Zelda (Wii) 
Entroper on 25 December 2007
Branko2166 said:
Entroper said:
I think you two need to get a room. :)

At least our sarcasm was related to gaming hehe

But I guess if you can't win a technical arguement it's far easier to get personal isn't it


Why do you assume I was trying to "win" anything?  I'm trying to get people to understand what shaders are.  The purpose of conversation is not to win, it's to exchange thoughts, ideas, and information.



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Branko2166 on 25 December 2007

I thought by now you would realize the wii doesn't have shaders but uses clever programming to achieve shader like effects. Oh well.
I have enjoyed the discussion in this thread though.



 

 

Entroper on 25 December 2007

OK, this is the last time I will attempt to explain this. In computer graphics, the definition of a shader is a set of instructions that runs on a GPU to produce an effect. In what way does a set of TEV operations not meet that definition?



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Destroyer_of_knights on 25 December 2007
Entroper said:
OK, this is the last time I will attempt to explain this. In computer graphics, the definition of a shader is a set of instructions that runs on a GPU to produce an effect. In what way does a set of TEV operations not meet that definition?

 but here is the thing, the GPU has shader piplines which are hardware units which execute the shader code, the wii lacks these shader piplines thus it can not excute shader code, it has TEV stages and these excute graphics code which are specific to the TEV hardware, so no the wii can't do shader code but it can do TEV code which results in similar effects.



Branko2166 on 25 December 2007

Exactly, there is only so much that can be done by clever programming.



 

 

Entroper on 25 December 2007
Destroyer_of_knights said:
Entroper said:
OK, this is the last time I will attempt to explain this. In computer graphics, the definition of a shader is a set of instructions that runs on a GPU to produce an effect. In what way does a set of TEV operations not meet that definition?

but here is the thing, the GPU has shader piplines which are hardware units which execute the shader code, the wii lacks these shader piplines thus it can not excute shader code, it has TEV stages and these excute graphics code which are specific to the TEV hardware, so no the wii can't do shader code but it can do TEV code which results in similar effects.


But here is the thing, the GPU has TEV pipelines which are hardware units which can execute the TEV code, the Xbox lacks these TEV pipelines thus it cannot execute TEV code, it has shader model 1.1 stages and these execute graphics code which are specific to the shader model 1.1 hardware, so no the Xbox can't do TEV code but it can do shader model 1.1 code which results in similar effects.

What's the difference?  One set of instructions vs. another set of instructions.  They both run code on their GPUs and they both produce effects.



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Destroyer_of_knights on 25 December 2007
Entroper said:
Destroyer_of_knights said:
Entroper said:
OK, this is the last time I will attempt to explain this. In computer graphics, the definition of a shader is a set of instructions that runs on a GPU to produce an effect. In what way does a set of TEV operations not meet that definition?

but here is the thing, the GPU has shader piplines which are hardware units which execute the shader code, the wii lacks these shader piplines thus it can not excute shader code, it has TEV stages and these excute graphics code which are specific to the TEV hardware, so no the wii can't do shader code but it can do TEV code which results in similar effects.


But here is the thing, the GPU has TEV pipelines which are hardware units which can execute the TEV code, the Xbox lacks these TEV pipelines thus it cannot execute TEV code, it has shader model 1.1 stages and these execute graphics code which are specific to the shader model 1.1 hardware, so no the Xbox can't do TEV code but it can do shader model 1.1 code which results in similar effects.

What's the difference? One set of instructions vs. another set of instructions. They both run code on their GPUs and they both produce effects.


 that's the point, they both use different instructions, one is shader and the other is TEV, but they both achive similar effects. This is what I've been saying all along, and for this very reason it's wrong to say the wii supports shader because the wii only supports TEV, however its not wrong to say that the wii can achive similar effect to shaders using it's TEV stages.



Slayer of God on 25 December 2007

@ Those two guys that were arguing back and forth about online capabilities for the wii

You only seemed to mention Medal of Honor. I've spent tons of time online with my Wii play Guitar Hero III. I've had no lag issues and you DO NOT NEED FRIEND CODES. they have a system set up so you can add friend codes if you wish to keep playing the same people but it isnt necessary at all and you can still have access to everything the game offers with out the codes.

Also doesnt Mario Chargers (or strikers, i cant remember) have a decent online system. I havnt played this one, only heard.

So there is 3 games now anyway instead of just the one you guys kept mentioning.