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the worst mistake they made was buying rare for 300 mil what good has come out of it??



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Launching without the hard drive.

 

this one, was a step back from the prior console..and caused at least for a time major games to be held back a bit, it sems now some games require hds for full functionality, but i cant think of a game that is sold in stores that wont run without it...  still should have never been an issue....

 

also they should have been user replace able with either 3.5 or 2.5 hds... ive got a spare raptor that could have helped my load times

 

 

they covered rrod by offering a 3 year warrenty ... which really should be standard on all three consoles, i was really hopeing the others would follow with that, but we can only dream



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Xen said:
Coca-Cola said:
AussieGecko said:

Dumb List here's why.

Launching without the hard drive. <- this option gave the 360 a much cheaper version and then they sold a hdd seperately which then gave them another source of revenue

Mismanagement of first-party developers <- the first-party seems to be fine imo as their 3rd party is fairly strong

Lack of policying on Xbox Live <- eh?

No controller option for Kinect <- disagree unlike the wii and move which you have to buy a fair few accessories to play properly kinect is fine out of the box

Choosing DVD-9 <- this isnt an issue

No Killer Instinct relaese from Rare <- thats not a 360 issue that is a developers decision

No Web browser <- its meant to be family friendly and browser would be against that.

No wi-fi built in till 2010 <- G was around at that stage and N was also around but too expensive, in fact ps3 has the G and for some reason they didnt upgrade it with the slim

But yes RROD is a rather big problem

 


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Not having a HDMI port on the original models? Not sure if that was to do with price or what not, but it's annoying.

The stupidest mistake has to be rushing the thing too fast out the door. It gained them marketshare, but cost them a huge amount of money and tarnished their reputation somewhat in the gaming community.



 

Coca-Cola said:

I would say the X clamp design resulting in RROD.  That's obvious.  Besides that, what is the stupidest?

http://gameplaytoday.com/features/general-features/4889-the-stupidest-mistakes-microsoft-made-with-the-xbox-360

Launching without the hard drive:  Allowed customers who only played offline to be able to afford the console and allowed them to make money off of users that upgrade.

Mismanagement of first-party developers:  I don't know about that.  Maybe they did.  Maybe there was just more lucrative opportunity elsewhere.  I think courting third parties was more important this time, though.

Lack of policying on Xbox Live:  Do you mean policing Xbox Live?  If so, the police it about as good as can be expected and they do follow up on reported users.  It just takes more than one complaint.

No controller option for Kinect:  You can use a controller with Kinect (for menus and such) but then that defeats the purpose of Kinect, right?  It works well without the controller, anyway.

Choosing DVD-9:  It worked in 2005, right?  Hell, it still works in 2011.

No Killer Instinct relaese from Rare:. As a Killer Instinct fan, I admit that the franchise is a little outdated in this day and age.  It was a beautiful franchise but it was never as big as the big guns (Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat).

No Web browser:  Why?  Is it a mistake?  Their plan was to get us to spend money on games, movies, themes, etc.  A web browser doesn't make Microsoft money.  In fact, it competes with the other things that do make them money....and they get outdated so quickly!

No wi-fi built in till 2010:  Wasn't a big deal until the competition arrived a year later with built in WiFi (at a cost).  Why charge every customer for something that only some of them will use?


I'm just playing devil's advocate but design choices can't be considered mistakes.  The RROD was a BIG mistake.  Denying the existence of it was a big mistake.  Doing things to make a cheaper sku or using formats/technology that was already an industry standard may not have been.  Hell, a lot of your "Mistakes" are the reason why Sony is in third place since 2006.



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d21lewis said:
Coca-Cola said:

I would say the X clamp design resulting in RROD.  That's obvious.  Besides that, what is the stupidest?

http://gameplaytoday.com/features/general-features/4889-the-stupidest-mistakes-microsoft-made-with-the-xbox-360

Launching without the hard drive:  Allowed customers who only played offline to be able to afford the console and allowed them to make money off of users that upgrade.

Mismanagement of first-party developers:  I don't know about that.  Maybe they did.  Maybe there was just more lucrative opportunity elsewhere.  I think courting third parties was more important this time, though.

Lack of policying on Xbox Live:  Do you mean policing Xbox Live?  If so, the police it about as good as can be expected and they do follow up on reported users.  It just takes more than one complaint.

No controller option for Kinect:  You can use a controller with Kinect (for menus and such) but then that defeats the purpose of Kinect, right?  It works well without the controller, anyway.

Choosing DVD-9:  It worked in 2005, right?  Hell, it still works in 2011.

No Killer Instinct relaese from Rare:. As a Killer Instinct fan, I admit that the franchise is a little outdated in this day and age.  It was a beautiful franchise but it was never as big as the big guns (Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat).

No Web browser:  Why?  Is it a mistake?  Their plan was to get us to spend money on games, movies, themes, etc.  A web browser doesn't make Microsoft money.  In fact, it competes with the other things that do make them money....and they get outdated so quickly!

No wi-fi built in till 2010:  Wasn't a big deal until the competition arrived a year later with built in WiFi (at a cost).  Why charge every customer for something that only some of them will use?


I'm just playing devil's advocate but design choices can't be considered mistakes.  The RROD was a BIG mistake.  Denying the existence of it was a big mistake.  Doing things to make a cheaper sku or using formats/technology that was already an industry standard may not have been.  Hell, a lot of your "Mistakes" are the reason why Sony is in third place since 2006.

Hard Drives didn't cost that much, the only reason they didn't make it a standard was to charge an incredible amount for the HDD accessory.

And I wonder why they are charging for the wifi now with the slim since not many may even use it.....



^^^Hell, I don't know.  I guess it's probably cheaper now than it was in 2005 (or 2004 or whenever they designrd the console).  It's probably more benificial to have Wi-Fi as a feature now than it was five or six years ago when Wi-Fi wasn't as necessary.  It's just like when broadband came out--the tech was available but not everyone had/could afford it.  It was a VERY bold move making broadband standard with the original Xbox.  Luckily, it worked out



I say not buying BioWare was the stupidest mistake made by MS. Also letting Bungie go was another mistake. And RROD is obvious so no point in stating that. So mismanagement of first party developers is the biggest mistake. Otherwise Dragon Age and Mass Effect would only be on xbox but hey as the saying goes the third time is the charm so lets hope the next xbox is perfect and MS doesn't manage to mess up with first party developers. And also buy Epic Games and some other studios. We all know MS can afford it but they choose to buy companies like Rare instead of BioWare which makes no sense in my opinion. 



RROD is no. one. They showed that they can't build a good system. 

Lack of first party support. The games I wanted to play were either on the PS3 or on PC. Why do I need the Xbox for? Halo? Please! Even Gears 1 is available on PC. I played the whole Gears 2 on my friends Xbox and that's my last game on it.  

DVD is also a big problem. I guess it held the gaming industry back because developer could not expand their materials due to lack of space. Then they ported games to PS3 not other way round. So, it was always a 9 GB game from the third parties which made the industry go back even 5 years back. 

No web browser is also a mistake. If you can steam videos over net, play games over net, even do chat (cross-game) over net, why the hell you can't BROWSE it?



Buying Rare was no mistake.  Rare may not have made a AAA game in a long, long, long, long, long, long, time but they do things behind the scenes, now.  From what I read, Rare was HUGE part of the development of Kinect, Avatars, and the current Xbox 360 dashboard.