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Xen said:
numonex said:

Wrong capitalism has lasted longer and more people have died under a capitalist system regardless of whether it was natural death or however they died. Capitalis liberal western democracies reverted to autocratic governments during both World Wars.

So what I am a Communist and everyone can have their opinion. I would rather live under a State controlled Communist regime than live under a Corrupt American capitalist democratic system.  I oppose Capitalism and oppose democracy.

Zero percent unemployment rates acheived in both Soviet Union and China. Unemployment rates are expected to only get to between 4% and 10% under a Capitalist democratic system.

Amazingly enough, capitalist systems like the US and Japan school China in everything even with higher unemployment rates. Why? Because people follow their ambitions, rather than just position themselves on the manufacturing line.

Are you allowed to have said opinion? No. Every tyrant is destined to fall and die, as you see in the Arabic world these days. The Nazis were quite alike to China and commie Russia. VERY alike. Do you support them too? If that is the criteria you like, then you can't be opposed to them.

I am an admirer of all forms of Socialism.  National Socialism and Adolf Hitler made a huge impact an the world just like Communism. Nazis reigned for only 15 years from 1930 to 1945 and ended in the destruction of Germany.

Russia conquered Germany and it was the Russians who decided World War 2 in Europe. 20 million Russians were killed fighting against the German Allied Forces.  Americans profiteered from the war selling arms to both Germany and Britain. America only entered World War 2 when Japanese bombed Pearl harbour December 1941. Americans did not win the war in Europe as depicted in those Hollywood movies. Germany invading Russia decided Nazi German's fate.  

Communism was far superior to National Socialism. Communism looked to have succeeded Capitalism during the Soviet Union's greatest period during the 1950s and 1960s. . Soviet Union were the first to send rockets into space. Soviet Union along with the US had nuclear armanents that could wipe out the world. A series of weak leaders between 1970 to 1990 lead to the slow fall of the Soviet Union. Corrupt Soviet Union leaders turned towards Capitalism. 

A potential threat of a nuclear war between the US and Soviet Union between 1945 to 1990 is regarded as the Cold War. The threat of the possible outbreak of a wolrd wide nuclear war peaked during the reign of JFK and Cuban Crisis in the early 1960s. The Russians took down JFK. 



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mrstickball said:

I'd like to see some statistics that Capitalism killed more people than Communism.

I can count about 200 million that died from Communism through famine and purges. That doesn't include socialist-backed wars like the Nazis which were about half a shake from being Communist as they were big on state control of private enterprize.

I don't understand why Numonex waffles betwen stupid capitalism posts and ones like these.

There is a reason communism died in 70 years. It kills a lot of people.


I think his argument is that more people have died in total in these systems by any means (not just by the hands of the government). Which means he is probably right, but it's also a pointless argument to make as it means nothing. Human life is finite, Capitalism has been around for 300 years, most of the world's population since then has lived in a capitalist economy at some point - so yeah, for these reasons considerably more deaths have happened in capitalist societies throughout history, but what does that say about the two systems? Nothing.

As for direct deaths caused by the hands of government, which is what really counts for something here, I think we can all agree capitalism fares considerably better than communism. You'd have to be deluded not to agree.

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Anyway. I'm going to call this thread a troll. I just don't believe the OP actually supports what is said.



mrstickball said:

I'd like to see some statistics that Capitalism killed more people than Communism.

I can count about 200 million that died from Communism through famine and purges. That doesn't include socialist-backed wars like the Nazis which were about half a shake from being Communist as they were big on state control of private enterprize.

I don't understand why Numonex waffles betwen stupid capitalism posts and ones like these.

There is a reason communism died in 70 years. It kills a lot of people.


The lesson that should be learned from history is that as governments get more and more power they become far more likely to start killing their own citizens to protect that power regardless of the source of that power; it happens with religious regimes, in communist and fascist nations, and countries ruled by all forms of tyrants. Truly democratic capitalist nations never kill their own citizens, and will rarely engage in warfare unless reasonably provoked; because the individuals who would be negatively affected by these actions have the power to prevent these actions from taking place.

Unfortunately, this will never be considered by people who (regardless of how much power the government currently has and is abusing) see the solution to all problems as greater government control.



What is this nonsense?

Feudalism FTW!!!!!



I LOVE ICELAND!

Orwell was a critic of Soviet Union with his great novels 1984 and Animal Farm.

Orwell was a literary critic of Soviet Union Socialism. That would make him a Capitalist. Opponent of Socialism is a Capitalist.

Capitalism is the antonym of Socialism. Communism is a more extreme version of Socialism. 

The government should make all the decisions. One Political Party should remain in government. No democracy and no one can speak out against the government. 

Being an opponent of Capitalism, I also oppose democracy. Both capitalism and democracy go together. A political system can not have free market Capitalism without Democracy. 



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numonex said:
Xen said:
numonex said:

Wrong capitalism has lasted longer and more people have died under a capitalist system regardless of whether it was natural death or however they died. Capitalis liberal western democracies reverted to autocratic governments during both World Wars.

So what I am a Communist and everyone can have their opinion. I would rather live under a State controlled Communist regime than live under a Corrupt American capitalist democratic system.  I oppose Capitalism and oppose democracy.

Zero percent unemployment rates acheived in both Soviet Union and China. Unemployment rates are expected to only get to between 4% and 10% under a Capitalist democratic system.

Amazingly enough, capitalist systems like the US and Japan school China in everything even with higher unemployment rates. Why? Because people follow their ambitions, rather than just position themselves on the manufacturing line.

Are you allowed to have said opinion? No. Every tyrant is destined to fall and die, as you see in the Arabic world these days. The Nazis were quite alike to China and commie Russia. VERY alike. Do you support them too? If that is the criteria you like, then you can't be opposed to them.

I am an admirer of all forms of Socialism.  National Socialism and Adolf Hitler made a huge impact an the world just like Communism. Nazis reigned for only 15 years from 1930 to 1945 and ended in the destruction of Germany.

Russia conquered Germany and it was the Russians who decided World War 2 in Europe. 20 million Russians were killed fighting against the German Allied Forces.  Americans profiteered from the war selling arms to both Germany and Britain. America only entered World War 2 when Japanese bombed Pearl harbour December 1941. Americans did not win the war in Europe as depicted in those Hollywood movies. Germany invading Russia decided Nazi German's fate.

Communism was far superior to National Socialism. Communism looked to have succeeded Capitalism during the Soviet Union's greatest period during the 1950s and 1960s. . Soviet Union were the first to send rockets into space. Soviet Union along with the US had nuclear armanents that could wipe out the world. A series of weak leaders between 1970 to 1990 lead to the slow fall of the Soviet Union. Corrupt Soviet Union leaders turned towards Capitalism.

A potential threat of a nuclear war between the US and Soviet Union between 1945 to 1990 is regarded as the Cold War. The threat of the possible outbreak of a wolrd wide nuclear war peaked during the reign of JFK and Cuban Crisis in the early 1960s. The Russians took down JFK.

Huge impact? Yup, that's true. Any good? Nah.

Nukes that can wipe out the world and sending 20 million to die when Germany could be kicked back in 2 years had Stalin not annihilated whole divisons and commanders... yup, real benefits and military genius. How is that any good? How is sending rockets into space first in any way related to communism? The USSR just wanted to show the US up, and had the ideologies been reversed, the Russians could've done the same perfectly well while being democratic. It's all PEOPLE. Getting bad on your peoples' side will always get you done. Soviets changed gears because the people were tired of the states' shit.



Australia needs a good dictatorship. Not the German kind, more like the Ceasar kind. We need someone strong, intelligent and brave, a man or Amazonian who can expand our great nation to new and under used territories. New Zealand would be ours within a month.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

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Free market capitalism has lead to the downturn of Europe but a huge upturn in China as it expands. Welfare states in Europe have grown and grown as weak governments have destroyed their economies with bad short sighted economic policies. High unemployment rates in Europe with aging populations. 

Capitalist nations in Europe  and America continue to send 70% of the jobs created overseas to pursue international free trade market policies. 

Corporations run the economies of the world and weak governments sit back and allow it to happen. All in the name of free market capitalism and globalisation. Extreme Capitalism has taken over and is just as bad as Socialism. 

 



Xen said:
The Fury said:

Talk to the people of former Soviet Russia, see if they agree with you.

Right below him there is one ;)

And a good answer it is too.



Hmm, pie.

Meh, I'll praise social democracy instead. You know, the form of socialism that helps people instead of killing them.

 

Edit:

You know, I think it's kind of funny to see capitalists and communists (not necessarily directed to anyone here) arguing over who's the best (or worst). All I've seen in life and from history is that they both lead to the same damn shortsighted unstable system where everything crashes unless every citizen behaves like a robot and follows the system's no-room-for-errors super tight scheme.

You should be buddies.