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Anyone following the Somalia situation knows that the African Union sent peace keepers to Mogadishu over a year ago to try and protect the fragile United Nation's Government. The African Union units from Uganda and Burundi as well as small contingents from other countries were sent to protect a few blocks of Mogadishu.

Well over the past few weeks Al-Shabab (A group of fighters loyal to Al-Qaida) attacked the Government forces in the capital. This lead to a Government offensive in which Government and AU troops tried to recapture the whole capital which has not been entirely under Government control for a long time. These clashes were very deadly and thousands were sent fleeing the capital.

Apparently the Government took alot of ground and now controls like 70% of the city. However it was not without a cost. The Somali Government now says 82 peace keepers from the AU were killed in Al-Shabab assualts. With over a 100 peace keepers injured and sent to neighbouring countries for medical treatment.

Their are a total of alittle more then 8,000 peace keepers in Somalia.  Now that the AU has had its ass handed to it will the African Union pull out? Or will they send re-inforements? Should the United Nation's step in to try and stabalize Mogadishu?

Or should everyone leave this failed state alone and let everyone kill each other untill they are all gone? A failed state is a failed state after all?



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It's 1%.

I seriously have no idea about the rest of the story.



"Their are a total of alittle more then 8,000 peace keepers in Somalia. This loss of 82 is 10% of the entire peace keeping force. "

Lolwut :p, there is no point stabilizing a country where the people don't want it. Afghanistan for example will go to the pigs once UN leaves, I am surprised Iraq is holding up quite well thus far. Countries in Middle East/Africa don't need democracy brought to it, if the majority agree with it and are tired of the old regime they'll protest against it themselves, the involvement of the West just makes matters worse, in most if not all scenarios.



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alekth said:

It's 1%.

I seriously have no idea about the rest of the story.


Sorry I really suck at Math, I just corrected it!

Still 82 men is a heck of alot to loose in a matter of a week or so!



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Joelcool7 said:
alekth said:

It's 1%.

I seriously have no idea about the rest of the story.


Sorry I really suck at Math, I just corrected it!

Still 82 men is a heck of alot to loose in a matter of a week or so!

In olden times at the battle of Somme half a million people died in a day, but that was old warfare.

Modern warfare has substantial losses and you are right in the respect that it is quite alot of soldiers to lose in a week when compared to the situation in Afghanistan, but then again I don't think that the AU soldiers are anywhere as trained and have as sophisticated equipment as say the UN forces in Afghanistan, so it's sort of understandable but still a bit surprising.



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NotStan said:
Joelcool7 said:
alekth said:

It's 1%.

I seriously have no idea about the rest of the story.


Sorry I really suck at Math, I just corrected it!

Still 82 men is a heck of alot to loose in a matter of a week or so!

In olden times at the battle of Somme half a million people died in a day, but that was old warfare.

Modern warfare has substantial losses and you are right in the respect that it is quite alot of soldiers to lose in a week when compared to the situation in Afghanistan, but then again I don't think that the AU soldiers are anywhere as trained and have as sophisticated equipment as say the UN forces in Afghanistan, so it's sort of understandable but still a bit surprising.

Indeed, but then again, we only know the losses of our troops. We don't really get figures of how frequently the Taliban take losses... and I'll imagine that it's probably a lot higher than ours.



SamuelRSmith said:
NotStan said:
Joelcool7 said:
alekth said:

It's 1%.

I seriously have no idea about the rest of the story.


Sorry I really suck at Math, I just corrected it!

Still 82 men is a heck of alot to loose in a matter of a week or so!

In olden times at the battle of Somme half a million people died in a day, but that was old warfare.

Modern warfare has substantial losses and you are right in the respect that it is quite alot of soldiers to lose in a week when compared to the situation in Afghanistan, but then again I don't think that the AU soldiers are anywhere as trained and have as sophisticated equipment as say the UN forces in Afghanistan, so it's sort of understandable but still a bit surprising.

Indeed, but then again, we only know the losses of our troops. We don't really get figures of how frequently the Taliban take losses... and I'll imagine that it's probably a lot higher than ours.


Well if the official figures for Taliban casualties are released and they have not that bad of a ratio, I am talking like 3-5 taliban deaths per soldier then that'll likely come as a blow if anything, for such a sophisticated force to be fighting and not gaining much headway is quite a morale killer, I am sure people will question the need to continue the war if a much less experienced force that only has the advantage of knowing the area, no air support, no sophisticated equipment that costs taxpayer billions annually is worth bringing democracy to a country that will only likely maintain it while there is western presence. War is pointless.



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On the one hand it is immoral to stand back and do nothing whilst innocent civilians are massacred in the region but on the other, the question as to whether or not these people truely want stability has to be asked. Africa has had trouble for decades, it is not getting any better despite the hundreds of billions spent in aid. It's engrained into their society and culutre. I would say pull out completely and let them sort it out themselves.

It's either that or a permanent occupation, ala colonialism mark two.



Joelcool7 said:

Or should everyone leave this failed state alone and let everyone kill each other untill they are all gone? A failed state is a failed state after all?


Pretty much this. I don't know why the UN bothers to try to break up all these civil wars in African nations. Good people end up getting killed and its all in vain because nothing changes. 



honestly...fuck the integrity of somalia, whoever fucking wants the country can have it.  then an army with something actually invested in protecting and stabilising the country can move in.    this is like propping up failing banks...someone needs to accept its dead and sell off the assets.   have kenya and ethiopia go expand their borders a bit. i dont care if they feel they need to take the entire thing or not.  perhaps they just want to expand the border by one mile every year? lol

...ideally... the US actually had the imperial ambitions retards like to claim it has. 



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