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Sony's plan to usurp 3DS with their PSP2 revealed

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dahuman on 06 March 2011
psrock said:
dahuman said:
psrock said:
dahuman said:
psrock said:
dahuman said:
psrock said:
dahuman said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

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So

 

Funny how I own 2 PSPs too eh?

 


You'd better hope so, that's how the DS destroyed PSP. 3DS is going to have tons of games on both sides and if Sony can't keep up with that shit, they'll get destroyed again.

I have said this over again, it's the control, not the games that allowed the DS to put a beating on the PSP. You own a PSP ( sorry, 2) and the PSP is loaded with games from casual to hardcore, but the DS allowed better and fresh new ways to play games which the PSP could not compete with. 

The PSP always felt like a small console with worst control and that hurt it badly. Even the great games took major hit because of the controls. 

 

I'm still waiting to see how they'll make the analog stick fit right without it breaking a lot since they are literally sticking out really fkn' far, might be one of those "years after" purchase again sigh..........

Every other devices out there has an exposed screen. The NGP is actually thinner than the PSP. And why do speakk as if the PSP was a failure. It is the 7 biggest console of all times, what Sony has to focus on is getting people to buy games for it. 

I still think these games cost too much, I believe as with most the next PSP needs its own unique games when you say PSP2, you know the games for it not just Monster Hunter. Finally, with the many different control NGP is sporting, I think Sony is on its way to compete properly.

Every other device has it, but the DS, that's why the DS is so great, it is a true consumer's product with practicality. I never said the PSP was a failure, I'm saying that the DS raped it hard and super hard at it. I think the NGP is doing somethings right, but they still haven't perfected the formula even after 5 years? Sometimes I don't know what Sony's engineers are thinking tbh. The PSP does have it's unique games, they need to expand on that, Patapon was a really great game and I can see it being better now with the new controls, the same way with Locoroco, they just need a lot more goodness, and being out a year later is not going to help it's case against the 3DS either. Time will tell, and really, would it kill them to put a retractable or flippable cover on the screen? It's really not that hard to do! I will eventually get one most likely, I just don't see it as a first day or even a first few years buy atm, something along the way might change my mind of course, we'll see. Maybe KH3 or something lol.....



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MaxwellGT2000 on 06 March 2011
psrock said:
dahuman said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

Let's regress for a second, what are we arguing about? 

We all know, 3DS won't even come close to NGP graphics wise, it seems the concern is the team that would be working on the NGP games are not the top team who works on the the console. I actually agree on that as Sony needs to give the same importance as PS3 as with NGP. Funny though, the best GOW, the best Resistance, The best Killzone are all from the PSP. 

So is Ghost of Sparta really all that?

I kind of assumed it was of a scale similar to the first PSP game.

Edit: Chains of Olympus. I forgot its name for like two minutes straight, that was bugging me.

No, Ghost of Sparta wasn't all that, I'd rather play a game like Ghost Trick on a hand held and leave God of War for my PS3 to handle because 3 really is a nice looking game. If NGP is still going the route of that kind of experience on a handheld, they are going to get ass fucked again outside Japan (Assuming MH is not on 3DS.) They need good portable games, which is something I've been saying for months and months. THEY NEED TO MATCH NINTENDO ON "PORTABLE" GAMES!

kind of funny from someone who just posted 2 resident evil games on the 3DS. Listen, what Sony needs is to balance out the type of games they release. People forget that this was their first handheld and one that is about to sell 70 million. All NGP needs is Sony to support it just like they do the PS3. 


Funny how the Resident Evil games wasn't related to the discussion about the type of games the PSP has, that's a fallacy in of itself, you're trying to break his credibility because of facts he threw up in another unrelated discussion, if you want to talk about portable games on the 3DS that aren't sit down and play for hours type experiences you have Steel Diver, Super Street Fighter IV, Pilotwings Resort, Nintendogs Cats, The Sims 3, and your racing titles like Ridge Racer and Asphalt, and that's just from the launch lineup.

Not to mention because of the 3DS having BC with DS many people (myself included) will be playing Pokemon Black and White on a 3DS once it launches.

Now psrock from the announced NGP games list me a few that is not your typical sit down and play for hours type of experience?  Little Deviants and Little Big Planet? But what was Sony pushing at NGP announcement?  Uncharted, Killzone, Call of Duty, Resistance, and Unreal games? I don't see the lesson that Dahuman was talking about being learned here...

As for the other debate, I don't care about graphics, never have, but it really is nostalgia glasses if you think PSP looks close to 3DS, period, either that or you have no eye for details, or maybe just lying to hype Sony's out going portable for whatever reason *shrug* The other end of this is NGP can handle current gen titles... obviously so can 3DS... PSP cannot... thus 360 and PS3 games coming to portables can come to both, maybe with a bit more work put into the 3DS version, but they're within range of each other, so what's the point NGP will look best, 3DS will be behind but playing in 3D, and PSP will be long dead by the time the software battle heats up between the two.



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psrock on 06 March 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:
psrock said:
dahuman said:
Khuutra said:
psrock said:

Let's regress for a second, what are we arguing about? 

We all know, 3DS won't even come close to NGP graphics wise, it seems the concern is the team that would be working on the NGP games are not the top team who works on the the console. I actually agree on that as Sony needs to give the same importance as PS3 as with NGP. Funny though, the best GOW, the best Resistance, The best Killzone are all from the PSP. 

So is Ghost of Sparta really all that?

I kind of assumed it was of a scale similar to the first PSP game.

Edit: Chains of Olympus. I forgot its name for like two minutes straight, that was bugging me.

No, Ghost of Sparta wasn't all that, I'd rather play a game like Ghost Trick on a hand held and leave God of War for my PS3 to handle because 3 really is a nice looking game. If NGP is still going the route of that kind of experience on a handheld, they are going to get ass fucked again outside Japan (Assuming MH is not on 3DS.) They need good portable games, which is something I've been saying for months and months. THEY NEED TO MATCH NINTENDO ON "PORTABLE" GAMES!

kind of funny from someone who just posted 2 resident evil games on the 3DS. Listen, what Sony needs is to balance out the type of games they release. People forget that this was their first handheld and one that is about to sell 70 million. All NGP needs is Sony to support it just like they do the PS3. 


Funny how the Resident Evil games wasn't related to the discussion about the type of games the PSP has, that's a fallacy in of itself, you're trying to break his credibility because of facts he threw up in another unrelated discussion, if you want to talk about portable games on the 3DS that aren't sit down and play for hours type experiences you have Steel Diver, Super Street Fighter IV, Pilotwings Resort, Nintendogs Cats, The Sims 3, and your racing titles like Ridge Racer and Asphalt, and that's just from the launch lineup.

Not to mention because of the 3DS having BC with DS many people (myself included) will be playing Pokemon Black and White on a 3DS once it launches.

Now psrock from the announced NGP games list me a few that is not your typical sit down and play for hours type of experience?  Little Deviants and Little Big Planet? But what was Sony pushing at NGP announcement?  Uncharted, Killzone, Call of Duty, Resistance, and Unreal games? I don't see the lesson that Dahuman was talking about being learned here...

As for the other debate, I don't care about graphics, never have, but it really is nostalgia glasses if you think PSP looks close to 3DS, period, either that or you have no eye for details, or maybe just lying to hype Sony's out going portable for whatever reason *shrug* The other end of this is NGP can handle current gen titles... obviously so can 3DS... PSP cannot... thus 360 and PS3 games coming to portables can come to both, maybe with a bit more work put into the 3DS version, but they're within range of each other, so what's the point NGP will look best, 3DS will be behind but playing in 3D, and PSP will be long dead by the time the software battle heats up between the two.

Those are the confirmed 1st party titles so far:

Hot Shots Golf, Gravity Daze, Killzone, Reality Fighters, Smart As, Broken, LittleBigPlanet, Little Deviants, WipEout, Resistance and Uncharted are all confirmed first-party games in development.

I don't see what's so different to 3DS. The problem with the PSP and this whole portable games problem was mostly due to its console only control, Sony has vastly improved and actually passed Nintendo in that area IMO, with so many options for control, it's going to be easier to get games from all side. The advantage the DS had over the PSP is gone with the NGP. I think NGP will now get most those now anyway, we will see PS3/360 multi console games now in the mobile war. 

As far as graphics, 3DS blows PSP, NGP nukes 3DS. Case close. 



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psrock on 06 March 2011
RolStoppable said:

psrock said:

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As far as graphics, 3DS blows PSP, NGP nukes 3DS. Case close. 

Now what is it? Does the NGP nuke the 3DS in terms of graphics or is it a close case?


The one that made you reply so quicly.



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patapon on 06 March 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:


Funny how the Resident Evil games wasn't related to the discussion about the type of games the PSP has, that's a fallacy in of itself, you're trying to break his credibility because of facts he threw up in another unrelated discussion, if you want to talk about portable games on the 3DS that aren't sit down and play for hours type experiences you have Steel Diver, Super Street Fighter IV, Pilotwings Resort, Nintendogs Cats, The Sims 3, and your racing titles like Ridge Racer and Asphalt, and that's just from the launch lineup.

Not to mention because of the 3DS having BC with DS many people (myself included) will be playing Pokemon Black and White on a 3DS once it launches.

Now psrock from the announced NGP games list me a few that is not your typical sit down and play for hours type of experience?  Little Deviants and Little Big Planet? But what was Sony pushing at NGP announcement?  Uncharted, Killzone, Call of Duty, Resistance, and Unreal games? I don't see the lesson that Dahuman was talking about being learned here...

As for the other debate, I don't care about graphics, never have, but it really is nostalgia glasses if you think PSP looks close to 3DS, period, either that or you have no eye for details, or maybe just lying to hype Sony's out going portable for whatever reason *shrug* The other end of this is NGP can handle current gen titles... obviously so can 3DS... PSP cannot... thus 360 and PS3 games coming to portables can come to both, maybe with a bit more work put into the 3DS version, but they're within range of each other, so what's the point NGP will look best, 3DS will be behind but playing in 3D, and PSP will be long dead by the time the software battle heats up between the two.

Do you mind if I join this debate? Well, too bad! :P

Your post is very unclear to me and I would like clarification about a few things... First off, you think that the NGP won't have many of these so-called 'pick up and play' games? I know this is not my discussion but you asked psrock to list some of these announced titles... well, like you yourself have stated: Littlebigplanet, little deviants... plus titles like Wipout, Hot Shot's golf, and some weird augmented reality games called Smart As, Reality Fighters and Broken.

NGP will also sport PSN BC which means titles like Patapon, LocoRoco, Echochrome, Half-Minute Hero, etc. can be played day 1. I'm not sure if this is confirmed, but I think that PSN games like the pixeljunk series, Flower, Journey and all the other PSN games will be playable on NGP. And for overkill, ps-suite, which I think will bring many of those apps mini games.

Currently 10-12 titles are confirmed for NGP. Out of those, half seem to be the type of games you so desire IN ADDITION to the prospects of BC, PSN and ps-suite. This is plenty from the get go, and just think of the myriad future game announcements at E3 and TGS?! :O So I'm not sure where you're coming from...

@bolded: Yes, these games exist just like Littlebigplanet and Little deviants... but what about the OoT port, Resident evil, or the inevitable monster hunters?  The 3ds has them, and most definitely they'll put up some very, very impressive sales #s. And I bet you anything that these games will be very important for the 3ds moreso than fucking 'steel diver'.

Having a good balance is the key, right? Both of 5 minute quickies AND epics people could lose themselves to for 20-30 hours... just like the 3ds, NPG clearly has this awell don't you agree?

In regards to your graphics claim... the chasm is massive between the NGP and 3ds. Please do not allow yourself to be fooled. Just look at the raw specs and compare them... if that does not satisfy you, than read all the NGP impressions from game developers and gaming journalist from the jan 27 NGP announcement conference.

You said graphics don't matter to you? That's perfectly okay, but claiming that NGP and 3ds is comparatively close is a mistake IMO



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MaxwellGT2000 on 06 March 2011
patapon said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:


Funny how the Resident Evil games wasn't related to the discussion about the type of games the PSP has, that's a fallacy in of itself, you're trying to break his credibility because of facts he threw up in another unrelated discussion, if you want to talk about portable games on the 3DS that aren't sit down and play for hours type experiences you have Steel Diver, Super Street Fighter IV, Pilotwings Resort, Nintendogs Cats, The Sims 3, and your racing titles like Ridge Racer and Asphalt, and that's just from the launch lineup.

Not to mention because of the 3DS having BC with DS many people (myself included) will be playing Pokemon Black and White on a 3DS once it launches.

Now psrock from the announced NGP games list me a few that is not your typical sit down and play for hours type of experience?  Little Deviants and Little Big Planet? But what was Sony pushing at NGP announcement?  Uncharted, Killzone, Call of Duty, Resistance, and Unreal games? I don't see the lesson that Dahuman was talking about being learned here...

As for the other debate, I don't care about graphics, never have, but it really is nostalgia glasses if you think PSP looks close to 3DS, period, either that or you have no eye for details, or maybe just lying to hype Sony's out going portable for whatever reason *shrug* The other end of this is NGP can handle current gen titles... obviously so can 3DS... PSP cannot... thus 360 and PS3 games coming to portables can come to both, maybe with a bit more work put into the 3DS version, but they're within range of each other, so what's the point NGP will look best, 3DS will be behind but playing in 3D, and PSP will be long dead by the time the software battle heats up between the two.

Do you mind if I join this debate? Well, too bad! :P

Your post is very unclear to me and I would like clarification about a few things... First off, you think that the NGP won't have many of these so-called 'pick up and play' games? I know this is not my discussion but you asked psrock to list some of these announced titles... well, like you yourself have stated: Littlebigplanet, little deviants... plus titles like Wipout, Hot Shot's golf, and some weird augmented reality games called Smart As, Reality Fighters and Broken.

NGP will also sport PSN BC which means titles like Patapon, LocoRoco, Echochrome, Half-Minute Hero, etc. can be played day 1. I'm not sure if this is confirmed, but I think that PSN games like the pixeljunk series, Flower, Journey and all the other PSN games will be playable on NGP. And for overkill, ps-suite, which I think will bring many of those apps mini games.

Currently 10-12 titles are confirmed for NGP. Out of those, half seem to be the type of games you so desire IN ADDITION to the prospects of BC, PSN and ps-suite. This is plenty from the get go, and just think of the myriad future game announcements at E3 and TGS?! :O So I'm not sure where you're coming from...

@bolded: Yes, these games exist just like Littlebigplanet and Little deviants... but what about the OoT port, Resident evil, or the inevitable monster hunters?  The 3ds has them, and most definitely they'll put up some very, very impressive sales #s. And I bet you anything that these games will be very important for the 3ds moreso than fucking 'steel diver'.

Having a good balance is the key, right? Both of 5 minute quickies AND epics people could lose themselves to for 20-30 hours... just like the 3ds, NPG clearly has this awell don't you agree?

In regards to your graphics claim... the chasm is massive between the NGP and 3ds. Please do not allow yourself to be fooled. Just look at the raw specs and compare them... if that does not satisfy you, than read all the NGP impressions from game developers and gaming journalist from the jan 27 NGP announcement conference.

You said graphics don't matter to you? That's perfectly okay, but claiming that NGP and 3ds is comparatively close is a mistake IMO


Uh rebuying your PSP games is not BC, it's like saying the Wii has BC with NES, SNES, Gen, etc. 

Like how you belittle Steel Diver but you list some of those really awkward looking titles like Reality Fighters and Smart As... not like 3DS doesn't have any of those! Oh wait it does! For free

And Jesus Christ calm down about the graphics... seriously if 3DS is running things like RE5 and can run the Cry Engine, then what's stopping the the 3DS and NGP multiplats? Nothing... so what does it matter? It really doesn't, they're within range of each other, it's not like the difference between PSP and DS...

I really don't think you get why things like Pokemon, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing sells 10m copies and PSP doesn't have one... and Sony is just developing more games like those on the PSP for the NGP...



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patapon on 07 March 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:


Uh rebuying your PSP games is not BC, it's like saying the Wii has BC with NES, SNES, Gen, etc. 

Like how you belittle Steel Diver but you list some of those really awkward looking titles like Reality Fighters and Smart As... not like 3DS doesn't have any of those! Oh wait it does! For free

And Jesus Christ calm down about the graphics... seriously if 3DS is running things like RE5 and can run the Cry Engine, then what's stopping the the 3DS and NGP multiplats? Nothing... so what does it matter? It really doesn't, they're within range of each other, it's not like the difference between PSP and DS...

I really don't think you get why things like Pokemon, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing sells 10m copies and PSP doesn't have one... and Sony is just developing more games like those on the PSP for the NGP...

All psp games on PSN will be playable on NGP WITH updated graphics In my book (and just about everyone else's) that's BC... Also, I don't know if you're aware of this... but there is this thing called a 'PSN account'. And on this 'PSN account' all games purchased be it ps3 or psp, can be redownloaded over and over and OVER AGAIN! :O So guess what? My ps3, psp and minis will be playable on npg day one... And all I have to do is hit download...

As for the awkward titles I mentioned, what are those games about? How is their quality? What price will they be/ if anything at all? And what do they have to do with your argument? Seems like someone doesn't have legs to stand on because he got told what was what... I'm just going to assume you dishearteningly agree that sony does, indeed, have these 'pick up and play' games you originally claimed were absent.

Graphics? You do not listen. If anything, it's going to be xbox/ps3 to ngp with effort rather than ngp/3ds. Maybe you are right though... I guess I could see entire 3ds games being npg downloads... We'll have to see how that plays out

And for your last sentence... what the FUCK is this shit? This is beyond annoying. You're claiming I don't know why these games sell so well? And in comparison to psp games? Hmmm... let me give it a swing... Mario/ and the billon games that share it's tradmark, pokemon, Zelda... these games sell because they are quality. Not only that, but they've been ingrained into generations of people as the epitome of video games. This is no easy task my friend, oh no. It takes YEARS to create such a such a series if at all. It certainly helps if the game is amazing to begin with... But the fact remains, games need a combination of timing preferably near the beginning of the generation, advertising like the massive pokemon card blitz that occurred in the 90s, and critical reception to launch a series into 10-million sales plus status. I wish a certain psp game got such treatment :'(

What is Sony doing for the NGP that makes it's game prospects so... so... bleak? Not having a time machine to go back 10 years and give Little big planet or Uncharted enough time to build up when Sony was ruling the world? And does that even matter? I don't know dude, Sony seems to have all their cards in the right place. And just because Nintendo has Pokemon or Mario never stopped anyone from success.. that includes the psp btw without mega franchises like Uncharted sooooooooo...

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MaxwellGT2000 on 07 March 2011
patapon said:

All psp games on PSN will be playable on NGP WITH updated graphics In my book (and just about everyone else's) that's BC... Also, I don't know if you're aware of this... but there is this thing called a 'PSN account'. And on this 'PSN account' all games purchased be it ps3 or psp, can be redownloaded over and over and OVER AGAIN! :O So guess what? My ps3, psp and minis will be playable on npg day one... And all I have to do is hit download...

As for the awkward titles I mentioned, what are those games about? How is their quality? What price will they be/ if anything at all? And what do they have to do with your argument? Seems like someone doesn't have legs to stand on because he got told what was what... I'm just going to assume you dishearteningly agree that sony does, indeed, have these 'pick up and play' games you originally claimed were absent.

Graphics? You do not listen. If anything, it's going to be xbox/ps3 to ngp with effort rather than ngp/3ds. Maybe you are right though... I guess I could see entire 3ds games being npg downloads... We'll have to see how that plays out

And for your last sentence... what the FUCK is this shit? This is beyond annoying. You're claiming I don't know why these games sell so well? And in comparison to psp games? Hmmm... let me give it a swing... Mario/ and the billon games that share it's tradmark, pokemon, Zelda... these games sell because they are quality. Not only that, but they've been ingrained into generations of people as the epitome of video games. This is no easy task my friend, oh no. It takes YEARS to create such a such a series if at all. It certainly helps if the game is amazing to begin with... But the fact remains, games need a combination of timing preferably near the beginning of the generation, advertising like the massive pokemon card blitz that occurred in the 90s, and critical reception to launch a series into 10-million sales plus status. I wish a certain psp game got such treatment :'(

What is Sony doing for the NGP that makes it's game prospects so... so... bleak? Not having a time machine to go back 10 years and give Little big planet or Uncharted enough time to build up when Sony was ruling the world? And does that even matter? I don't know dude, Sony seems to have all their cards in the right place. And just because Nintendo has Pokemon or Mario never stopped anyone from success.. that includes the psp btw without mega franchises like Uncharted sooooooooo...

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*ahem* not to be rude but this post was so full of crap.

Backwards compatibility is the ability to play my software I bought on my old system, this means my retail titles, you know the ones that everyone buys?  Or lest we forgotten how not ever PSP title is on PSN nor is most PSP owners even connected to the net, this is the very reason the PSP Go was a commercial failure, period.  Backwards compatibility is NOT N-O-T rebuying titles you already own online to be able to play them again.

You can check out Reality Fighters and Smart As in Sony's video.

Riviting game play I saw there...

I guess you don't seem to understand that high end current gen titles are being ported over to the 3DS already and was done in no time to test the specs of the system, will it beat the NGP in raw power? Hell no but no one has been claiming that this entire thread, will it be able to share PS3 and 360 ports if a developer chooses to do so like they did with the PSP and PS2?  Yeah sure as long as you're not like Epic Games and don't even attempt.

And I simply do not have to explain why your last couple of paragraphs are just wrong, I just need one simple chart.

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Pokemon&publisher=&console=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

Yes that's right the original Pokemon, the very first, without any IP to build off of, is STILL the best selling title in the series.  Love how I didn't even mention Zelda either

Or how bout them thar touch generation titles? All new IPs...

Which goes back to the main point, good quality portable titles that are meant to be played on the go, and that's rooted into the very design of the title rather than if it would live up to stationary console standards, since what people want on the go is different from what they want when they can spend an afternoon indoors to play games.  Pokemon on handhelds = huge success, pokemon on home consoles? Not so much.  Gran Turismo on home consoles = huge success, GT on handheld?  Not so much.  Sony's issue is addressing what people want on the go, not your typical "quality" scale.

Nothing is "bleak" about the NGP this is you assuming that someone bringing up some issuses is some sort of bleak portrait, no one is short changing the system, though hopefully that slide Sony put up about NGP cart size being 2 to 4 GB is just a launch size rather than maxing out at 4gb, else that would be a serious problem for the NGP.



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patapon on 07 March 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:


*ahem* not to be rude but this post was so full of crap.

Backwards compatibility is the ability to play my software I bought on my old system, this means my retail titles, you know the ones that everyone buys?  Or lest we forgotten how not ever PSP title is on PSN nor is most PSP owners even connected to the net, this is the very reason the PSP Go was a commercial failure, period.  Backwards compatibility is NOT N-O-T rebuying titles you already own online to be able to play them again.

You can check out Reality Fighters and Smart As in Sony's video.

Riviting game play I saw there...

I guess you don't seem to understand that high end current gen titles are being ported over to the 3DS already and was done in no time to test the specs of the system, will it beat the NGP in raw power? Hell no but no one has been claiming that this entire thread, will it be able to share PS3 and 360 ports if a developer chooses to do so like they did with the PSP and PS2?  Yeah sure as long as you're not like Epic Games and don't even attempt.

And I simply do not have to explain why your last couple of paragraphs are just wrong, I just need one simple chart.

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Pokemon&publisher=&console=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

Yes that's right the original Pokemon, the very first, without any IP to build off of, is STILL the best selling title in the series.  Love how I didn't even mention Zelda either

Or how bout them thar touch generation titles? All new IPs...

Which goes back to the main point, good quality portable titles that are meant to be played on the go, and that's rooted into the very design of the title rather than if it would live up to stationary console standards, since what people want on the go is different from what they want when they can spend an afternoon indoors to play games.  Pokemon on handhelds = huge success, pokemon on home consoles? Not so much.  Gran Turismo on home consoles = huge success, GT on handheld?  Not so much.  Sony's issue is addressing what people want on the go, not your typical "quality" scale.

Nothing is "bleak" about the NGP this is you assuming that someone bringing up some issuses is some sort of bleak portrait, no one is short changing the system, though hopefully that slide Sony put up about NGP cart size being 2 to 4 GB is just a launch size rather than maxing out at 4gb, else that would be a serious problem for the NGP.

When you start calling someone else's post crap, you have lost. Maxwell, you have lost, I award you no points.

Again you claim I do not understand... You said the NGP and 3ds are comparable. You are wrong wrong wrong. The NGP far exceeds the 3ds to the point where full fudged 3ds titles will be mire downloads. You also claimed that the ngp was comparable to the 3ds and that the massive power the ngp has at it's disposal and I quote "what does it matter [derp]?" It means that xbox and ps3 games can potentially come to the ngp... In Kojima's little speech he gave at the NGP press event, he stated he wants to make a ps3 game that can be transferred and played on the fly. I bet he will someday achieve this. And guess what? It's all due to the NGPs power that you said, and I quote, "what does it matter [derp]"

Guess a hell of a lot...

And FYI, nice straw man there. I never said games can't make mega franchises at the get go. GT did it. I said that there were multiple factors that needed to occur. Basic reading comprehension should have told you this... guess not for you...

I don't understand what we're arguing at this point... your initial claim was that the NGP did not have these magic 'pick up and play' games that Nintendo only seems to have in your very flawed opinion. This statement was corrected with concrete fact. Is this not true or do you need me tor repeat my earlier post for you?

Also, BC is the ability to play games of previous generations that you own on the next gen console... you can do that with the NGP with a playstation account... you are wrong and you will continue to be wrong as long as you maintain that the NGP does not have backwards compatibility... But I suppose your right that it can't play those blasted umds... so I guess it's partially BC? Ahh but still BC

Oh btw, just look at this riveting Steel Diver gameplay!!!

And all that for the low price of 40 bucks



Galaki on 07 March 2011
patapon said:

Oh btw, just look at this riveting Steel Diver gameplay!!!

And all that for the low price of 40 bucks

Some games, should not be judged by videos. Steel Diver may be one of them.



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