Actually, what I strongly dislike about Christianity is its illogical restrictions, and the "morality" it promotes.

There's no logical reason why homosexuality should be considered wrong. To put homosexuality in the same category as thievery, or even gluttony, is insulting.

Why should a homosexual repent for having sex with someone of the same sex? Why was that act so terrible that you have to regret it or either you are tortured for eternity? Why should a homosexual declare that he/she regrets being with a person of the same sex that he/she possibly loved greatly?

For that matter why should someone who is heterosexual regret that they had sex before marriage? What's so terrible about that that it warrants being put together with murderers and thieves and thrown in hell?

So what you think Gluttons and liars are worse then someone who sleeps around with tons of people? What about those who lust (Simply having sexual thoughts about someone and coveting that person) is that worse then having sex with people outside of marriage or within your own gender?

Your walking on thin ice, they are all sins and to think that any of them is better or worse then one another in God's eyes is totally off base. As long as someone admits to doing wrong asks God's forgiveness and tries not to recommit these sins they are saved.

All laws and rules in the Bible are their for a reason. Even the old testiment law that one should not eat Pork or any non-split hoofed animal. Pork and single hoofed animals aren't healthy for you. Woola a reason for them being sin. Having sex outside of marriage causes many problems for both men and women. As such its a sin. Homosexuality can hurt many people including the homosexual hence why it is a sin.

Every sin in the Bible is so because it is not good. Gluttony, I over eat alot and guess what I'm gaining tons of weight and am getting sick etc... Hence why it says in the Bible not too.

The laws of the Bible are their to guide people and protect them. All of the laws are good for you , regardless of whether you agree or disagree.

What harm can abstinance till marriage do? What harm can not having sex with another man do? No STD's no unwanted babies. Please come up with something bad that happens by not having sex outside of marriage or homosexual sex.

Fact is the Bible's laws are all for our own good, and again your "Be thrown in hell statement" like I said all people who choose to not follow the teachings and believe in Jesus will all go to hell. It doesn't matter which sins you commited, if you fail to see your sins and you fail to accept forgiveness from those sins then you go to hell. Sorry to be so straight forward but its true.

I can't seem to undertsand why you think sleeping around with other people is as bad as lying.

What harm can abstinence befroe marriage do, you ask? Well, what harm can sex before marriage do?, I say!

STDs? Undeanted pregnancies? Well, if you use contraception, don't participate in daily orgies, and actually know the person you're having sex with, those things are unlikely to happen.

Saying that you shouldn't be having sex before marriage because of STDs and unwanted pregancies is the same as saying that you shouldn't drive a car, because you might have a car accident. The purpose of sex (like that of driving a car) isn't to cause harm, unlike say killing someone or stealing.

And what if someone never marries? Marriage is not the route all people wind up taking. Should such a person never ecxperience sex?

What harm can not having sex with an other man do, you ask?

Well, I partially answered that already in this very post. Also, if 2 homosexuals fall in love with eachother, what are they suppose to do? Are they not allowed to express their love for eachtother (including physically, as we humans like to do that when we're n lvoe with someone)?

As for the bolded part, NO!, ALL those laws are not good for you. Your statement is that of one who does not  think critically and just follows those laws blindly, because he was told to. Those laws are mostly outdated, considerind the current state of society, and all the scientific progress it has made. Lot's of those laws no longer are supported by logic (especially those regarding sex and sexuality). They're not good for you, and they have a negative psychological impact on people, leading them have negative attitudes towards sex and become dysfunctional.

(Note: In Christianity, it's not just sex before marriage that's a sin, but all sex done for pleasure, as only sex for the purpose of reproduction is not a sin).

the deadly sins are a creation the catholic church for the purpose of milking more money out of their followers.

an aside here but...christian preachers are some of the most nasty, unpleasent, disgusting, hypocritical, and immoral people i have EVER had the displeasure of meeting in my entire life.

What a terribly derailed thread......

Yes, these things tend to happen.

Sins aren't relly given a hirearchy of "bad" in the bible.

They're just listed as "all things that make you less then perfect."

In general the Christian ideal of perfect is really one of "living of the spirit" or as it's generally known now "living of the mind."

Having sex is for pleasure is "giving in to the physical" and as such is seen as stunting the spiritual and the mind.

The ideal Christian layed out in the bible is generally, well... jesus sort of..  In otherwords someone who things soley of the spiritual and philosophical and helps others.

One who is soley thinking for that of others.

I mean, think of the horrible selfishness and wrongness that is, simply just being on the internet and wasting time debating such an arguement.

In truth, considering the situation of others... every single thing we do not in service of the whole is quite the selfish and damaging act to others.

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Joelcool7 has included everything I would say in a reply to you two (and then more) in his last few posts. It's exactly like I see things.

Sapphi, I would just want to add one comment to your problem with Christian morals and how the Christian God treats some types of lifestyles unfairly. You see it's like this, from the very moment we are born life on this earth is unequal. We all get different conditions and chances. Some people are blessed all the time while some people only have misery and pain all through their lives. If you are a person born with a lust for other men you just happen to have a trait that God condemns. You could also be born with a lust for drugs or lust for food or any of thousands of other desires that don't please God.

Is that fair? No but that's just the way it is. It's not up to you to decide what is considered sin and what is not. But there most likely is a purpose. We can speculate about the meaning of living in this unperfect world but it won't be explained until the Judgement day. The key is to accept your position and do the best of it instead of demanding justice from God in this life. You will get your reward and compensation in Heaven and He will wipe out every tear from your eyes.

As for arguments about homosexuality, pre-marital sex, ect:

The Bible places a very high premium on sexual purity. The Bible says that your body is a temple, and it is best not to defile it. This is fulfilled by having one intimate partner for life, unless you are a widower.

So whats the problem with pre-marital and homosexual acts? Statistically speaking (and there is tons of data out there confirming this), pre-marital and homosexual activities are rarely focused on having one partner for life, but rather for promiscuity and degrading ones' body through many acts with many people.

Why does it matter? Because sexual acts outside of wedlock correlate with a ton of other behavior. Divorce and abuse commonly correlate with pre-marital sex and homosexual activites. Furthermore, these acts intertwine with many problems for familes.

Therefore, having the standard of 'no sex before marriage' statistically reaps major rewards for those that follow it - less divorce means a stronger upbringing for children (there are studies that correlate the effects of divorce to higher instances of almost every negative activity including spousal abuse, suicide, alcoholism, crime and so on), a higher standard of living (single parent families are the #1 economic indicator of poverty), and other major statistical benefits.

The Bible maintains an other-centric view of people. Our bodies aren't our own. They are for our husband or wife. Our money is not our own - it is for God and helping others. Many times, we want to shake our fist and God and demand why he made certain uncomfortable rules, but in every case, you find vast statistical evidence that God is telling us that he foresaw the problems with allowing some activities, and for our own benefit and prosperity, spoke out against them.

Can a homosexual go to heaven? It is not for me to decide, but the key metric is if they have a relationship with Jesus, and asked for the forgiveness of sins. Once that has happened, it is in my strongest opinion that the errant activity will be removed as they seek a stronger relationship with God.

I think Mr.Stickball and SlimeBeast just gave the answer I would. Its nice to see we aren't completely out gunned.