sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Claiming "technically they are right, but they shouldn't say it so loud" isn't a particularly powerful condemnation of their actions. "Yes, gays will be punished by god for their wickedness, but so will lots of other people! You don't need to be rude about it." Does little to defend the system of beliefs.
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Well, really... when you look at it from the traditional point of view. It isn't even "Lots of other people."
It's "All people."
The reason gay people are supposed to "burn in hell" actually has nothing to do with them being gay... well it does, but it doesn't.
Any sex not meant with the intent of procreation of a child is a sin. Gay sex just looks like it's being targeted out because it's the "most obvious" crime, since sex can never create children in such a way.
There isn't a single person who would escape life without committing a sin, hence, all should going to hell based on the guidelines.
Hence why all are told not to judge. (and why these people are dumb)
And why all are forgiven of their sins.
Saying the bible says gay people are going to burn in hell for having sex, is a lot like saying that gay people are going to hell for thieving.
It's got nothing to do with the orientation, and everything to do with them having sex for pleasure. Which is a sin for straight couples as well.
In the end, the core message of Christianity can be boiled down into one sentence: "Nobody is perfect, and that's ok, so long as you are aware you are imperfect, aware of your flaws and strive to be better."
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I guess the problem is that the ideea that sex for pleasure is something "terrible", on the same level as stealing, is pretty insulting.
Also, straight people can marry, then go to confession, be forgiven for their sins, and live a happy life. Gays can form a couple, and genuenly love, care for eachother, and take care of eachother, yet their whole realtionship is one big sin, and they'll burn to hell for it. It's insulting that they're told to "repent" for what is probably the best thing in their life.
Chrisitans are really not the best people to take advice regarding sex (they have a very sex negative attitude).
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Sins aren't relly given a hirearchy of "bad" in the bible.
They're just listed as "all things that make you less then perfect."
In general the Christian ideal of perfect is really one of "living of the spirit" or as it's generally known now "living of the mind."
Having sex is for pleasure is "giving in to the physical" and as such is seen as stunting the spiritual and the mind.
The ideal Christian layed out in the bible is generally, well... jesus sort of.. In otherwords someone who things soley of the spiritual and philosophical and helps others.
One who is soley thinking for that of others.
I mean, think of the horrible selfishness and wrongness that is, simply just being on the internet and wasting time debating such an arguement.
In truth, considering the situation of others... every single thing we do not in service of the whole is quite the selfish and damaging act to others.
