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Immortal said:
thismeintiel said:

While I agree that a $199 PS3 is at least 1-2 years, to even imply that a PS3 at that price point wouldn't be HUGE is quite delusional.  I have full faith that a $249 model is coming later this year, and I know that is going to be enough to propel the PS3 past the 360 once and for all.


Look at Wii, for instance, the most recent console to get to $199. The price cut was huge, but within 8 or 9 months, Wii was already in a terrible decline again. Skip another half a year or so, and Wii couldn't possibly be doing worse. You see, it had a huge effect on the holidays - which, in itself, was debatable due to the effects of NSMBW, WFP and retailers' offers - but, in terms of long term effect, nothing. The power of $199 is exaggerated, really.

Oh, and I find it quite delusional, in your words, that a $249 model will be enough to push PS3 past 360 - MS still has more price cuts up their sleeve for the moment than Sony and, unlike Nintendo, they won't hesitate to use them.

That cannot be compared $200 Wii is barely cheaper than starting price and still questionable value for many gamers.

$200 ps3 is like a Wii price drop to 100-130$ range.



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Conegamer said:
ethomaz said:
Michael-5 said:
Conegamer said:
ethomaz said:
Conegamer said:
I reckon it'll end up around the same as Halo 3 LT...

For me over 10m sure but less than Halo 3 (11.4m).

That was my first prediction for Reach.

I think it will be close...

Dropping off FAR too quick for my liking. I wonder if the same will happen with GT5, though, it doesn't look like it ATM

GT5 already had a steep drop off. Haven't you noticed it's already out of the top 10, and that it's weekly sales are about half GT4's? GT4 was in the top 10 for about 25 weeks, selling 90k weekly, GT5 is like 20th selling 50k now.

That not true.

Reach already tracking below Halo 3 like GT5 but GT5 will begin t o track above GT4 soon... and yet had adjustments to be made in GT5 sales.

And GT4 was below 90k after 10 weeks... after 25 weeks GT4 was selling 30,615.

Stop showing wrong data to people. You know week 25 for GT4 is week 25 just in Japan... week 17 in America and week 15 in EMEAA.

And if you don't know how much GT4 sold every week I can show to you:

# GT4
1 2,523,055
2 1,000,378
3 510,176
4 326,608
5 231,662
6 178,044
7 137,261
8 120,989
9 102,768
10 92,089
11 80,643
12 77,354
13 67,939
14 60,955
15 55,236
... ...
25 30,615

I WAS TRICKED!

Meh. They'll both sell fine

IMO GT4 was better anyway...

Watch yourself Conegamer......there might be a revolution over at Sony Defense headquarteres soon   >:)

Hey hey, it's only because I haven't really played GT5 yet. I have it now and really enjoy it, but I've put far more hours in GT4, so, naturally, I enjoy that one more ATM.

However, from my 7 hours with GT5 compared to my 455 hours with GT4, I can see that, from a technical standpoint, GT5 is better



 

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AussieGecko said:

its funny how this is happening

 

when 360 fans were saying the 360 beat ps3 most people said statistical tie

now ps3 fans are saying ps3 beat 360 it is a done deal and no need for a price cut... wtf....

@livingmetal you were one of the ones that said nsanity's post in the reversed decisons, in fact you put wait till next week till it gets adjusted and ps3 gets ahead...

its odd how that happens.


This is probably pretty much an answer to the likes of Antabus doing the exact same thing when the 360 was a few k units ahead. Somewhat childish, I agree though.

100 percent agree, it shouldnt be done either way, but the fact that double standards by some people. That is the thing that bothered me haha



 

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Jay520 said:


It happens both ways. When X console beats Y consoles by a small amount. X fans will (generally) say X console one, whi Y fans will (generally) say tie.


its still annoying, if one person says one argument a week later they shouldnt change their mind because their system is ahead... this is why I don't get console wars tbh



 

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LivingMetal said:

 

First, lighten up.  Second, I was only messing with Nsanity.  Third, he took it personal.  Fourth even though I was joking, my comments are not without merit based of past current events.  Fifth, my claim was backed by numbers posted by another user.  Sixth, please stop stalking me.  I'm married, and I just became a father.  I know you want me, but I'm so way taken already.  Yes, I'm worth it, but you just have to live the rest of your life in disappointment without me.  Maybe in another lifetime under different circumstances.  One day... Maybe...

hmmm people cannot judge peoples feelings when they are typed sooo

Stop bringing your personal life to this site, it gets annoying. I am not stalking you I noticed your post, it just happens that you seem to do very very similar posts thread after thread, but unbeknownst by me you keep bloody getting away with it.



 

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Jay520 said:

Camparing the PS3 to the Wii is wrong for the following:

 

  • The Wii being a casual console will naturally have much lopsided sales in the holidays where casuals are most actives. The PS3 is more hardcore oriented and its sales won't drop off much in the middle of the year, as opposed to the Wii. Last year, PS3 had the smallest drop off at $299, I don't it'll drop off at $199.
  • The Wii dropped from 249 to 199, while the PS3 will drop from 299 to 199. That's double the drop that the Wii had.
A $199 price point would be Huge. 
Me personally, I don't believe it will drop to $199 this year, heck it might not even drop to $249. I could see them waiting until 2012 to drop $100.
I agree that a $249 price point won't push the PS3 over 360. If PS3 drops to $249, then 360 might just drop to $199. I don't care though. The PS3 is enjoyng very healthy sales going neck and neck with 360. And I see PS3 having the smallest dropoff as the dryspell picks up. Last year 360 dropped off more than PS3. This year, I could see it following the same pattern, seeing as how Kinect is casual and casuals don't buy as many consoles around Summer time. It should pick back up come the holidays, rivaling the Wii (unless Wii gets price cut, New mario, etc.).


I don't see how your first point makes a difference - Wii's first holiday was boosted then second was massively down. The holidays followed the same logic as the rest of the year in terms of its decline. Secondly, PS3 won't be able to drop to $199 from $299. Sales will be unacceptably low if they wait that long. They'll probably go to $249 first.

Also, the PS3 is already suffering from relatively high YOY dropoffs. Without a $249 price, it'll only get worse through the year as the price cut gets older. And even right now, it's rather artificially boosted by some retailer offers here and there.

Not to say that the console isn't doing well, though - it's making the Wii look like a joke, D:.



 

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Immortal said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
KillerMan said:

The whole industry is rather massively down compared to last year (or to 2009 and 2008....). Luckily 3DS is just around corner.


dont worry. sony is just waiting now, to unleash their $199 ps3 and i dont care what microsoft replies with, just like the last price drop, ps3 will pull away again but THIS TIME, by a bigger margin and not only that but at the same time ps3 will overtake 360 somewhere in that period, i say november to april of next year. by the way, im going by sony's and microsoft's numbers, so people, dont start throwing numbers everywhere that are from vgchartz at me!

They broke even on $299 PS3 in... June 2010, I believe? No way in hell they'll make it to $199 before 2012 and it makes no sense whatsoever to go into the red for fun before that, especially with the expected loss that NGP might sell at.

And I'm not entirely convinced that $199 will have such an enormous effect at all. Not unless they package it with a SuperSlim, anyway.

I remember even before (but maybe I mix-up USA, EU or WW), but that was in USA, while in the EU the 299€ PS3 broke even several months before and WW, obviously, somewhere in between, but overall, WW, it broke even around March 2010, so dropping price in Autumn 2011 would be at least 18 months after it broke even WW at $299/299€, dropping to $199 (and 199€ in EU) could make PS3 sell at a slight loss in USA, but break even or make a small profit in EU and profit where it's even more overpriced than in EU, compared to USA. The margin is there, but the decision will be taken considering a lot of other factors, that will be combined and weighted to decide whether the benefit compared to just dropping to $249 could be worth the lower profit margin until in the best case PS3 should have dropped to $199 anyway. Currently Sony looks like it prefers, after the huge initial losses, good profits and more than decent sales to stellar sales and low profit, so, unless their plans are less linear and obvious for the future, this year a drop to $249 looks more likely to me too, but the one to $199 is not to be ruled out, it wouldn't be a bloodbath by any means. BTW, when PS4 launches, PS3 should be dropped to $150 or less, so when PS4 launches plays a role too, price drops too close to each other should be avoided, if possible (this applies to XB360 too depending on XB720 launch date, while Wii is just one drop away from Wii max reasonable price when Wii2 lauches, so it should be fine whatever Ninty chooses, despite having very little room for price drops and strict timing to observe if it wants to launch Wii2 later than Autumn 2012, Ninty has no problems to make Wii reach the right price without hurrying drops up, instead it must be very accurate choosing when to drop if it wants to extend Wii's life as main console as far as possible).



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AussieGecko said:
LivingMetal said:

 

First, lighten up.  Second, I was only messing with Nsanity.  Third, he took it personal.  Fourth even though I was joking, my comments are not without merit based of past current events.  Fifth, my claim was backed by numbers posted by another user.  Sixth, please stop stalking me.  I'm married, and I just became a father.  I know you want me, but I'm so way taken already.  Yes, I'm worth it, but you just have to live the rest of your life in disappointment without me.  Maybe in another lifetime under different circumstances.  One day... Maybe...

hmmm people cannot judge peoples feelings when they are typed sooo

Stop bringing your personal life to this site, it gets annoying. I am not stalking you I noticed your post, it just happens that you seem to do very very similar posts thread after thread, but unbeknownst by me you keep bloody getting away with it.


So you can stop judging me right now.  Take you own advice.  And about being personal.  Stop calling me out, and I won't be responding to you.  You're not going to bait me to get that kiss from me.  It's not going to happen, ever.  I'm not even going to hold your hand.  It wasn't meant to be.  Please, find someone else.