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NYANKS on 22 February 2011
NotStan said:
NYANKS said:
NotStan said:
NYANKS said:

Xbox would charge more for the internet.  And there would be a lot fewer good games, seeing as Sony's are amongst the best this gen.

Also, if PS2 failed, Microsoft wouldn't be in videogames.

I don't know about that one. I think if PS1 failed then MS wouldn't be in video games, but the gap between the release of PS2 and Xbox is only a year, unless the first Xbox was designed in a year I don't think that was the case, but I don't see how that sentence contributes to the topic :S

I just felt like some were belittling the company's contributuon to videogames, which is silly at this point.  Admittedly, it was off point a bit.  But PS1 or PS2, the point remains the same.  And I think the two top points are vaild, if I think of more I'll add later lol.

Well to be fair, PS3 was released last this generation, so to say the least, nothing else would have happened if it didn't release :p. Changing hardware will affect how the older games will be played and the people who brought the consoles from start would get shafted, the only major contribution is BluRay but that's as a whole and not gaming as it does not apply to Wii and 360.
Not undermining PS3 as I would like to have one when funds do permit me to get one, but without it the only factor that would change is the lack of competition on the market and lack of diversity that the PS3 library offers. Seeing as PS3 was released last, if it does have any impact on the videogame industry we will see it next gen, maybe MS's answer to BluRay or something like that. Quite frankly BluRay just rapes normal DVD in the face.

P.S To those citing the console revisions, those have been around for a while now.

I don't really disagree with anything, but I wanted to mention that PS3 being in third was dictated by nothing more than releasing third, as we've come to see.  Had it released first, it would just be the reverse.  But these are just daydreams lol.

P.S.  My My second sentence TOTALLY just rhymed.  Points to me.



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Kasz216 on 22 February 2011
darthdevidem01 said:

If PS3 had failed you can say bye bye to loads of 3rd party games on Xbox 360...loads more 3rd parties would be on Wii then. (unless each lost PS3 owner would be a xbox 360 owner...but its never that simple...not in EMEAA or Japan). At the least you would see almost every major Japanese 3rd party title moving to Wii.

HD DVD would win.

Wii would have over a 50% marketshare. (again unless every lost PS3 owner become a xbox 360 owner but its never really that simple)

In Japan and EU PS3 has been a big competition to the Wii in the past year.

I consider PS3 and Xbox 360's sales to be a major reason for their amazing third party support, without one I think the other wouldn't have as many great games. Its cool to think of it like that too!

Why do people think this?

Sony owns the most movie studio's out of everyone and had  a strong consortium of Blu-ray only people.

While the HD-DVD alliance was only filled with people paid to not leave.

HD-DVD would of NEVER won because none of the Sony owned movie studios would of released their libraries on HD-DVD.



darthdevidem01 on 22 February 2011
silicon said:

Welll if PS3 died it would mean that there wasn't a market for hardcore gaming... meaing games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and Killzone failed to attract an audience. If these games failed to attract an audience then all similar games would also fail to attract an audience. This would mean that X360 would have done a lot worse then it did and may be close to failing itself. The gaming industry would shift, and gamers like myself would have less intersting games to play.

This is the most interesting post in the thread and I can completely see your point.



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Kasz216 on 22 February 2011
silicon said:
NotStan said:
silicon said:

Welll if PS3 died it would mean that there wasn't a market for hardcore gaming... meaing games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and Killzone failed to attract an audience. If these games failed to attract an audience then all similar games would also fail to attract an audience. This would mean that X360 would have done a lot worse then it did and may be close to failing itself. The gaming industry would shift, and gamers like myself would have less intersting games to play.

I don't know, games on X360 that can be classed as "hardcore" have done reasonably well, Halo 3 is the top selling game, second only to MW2 and it's expansion, ODST pulled something like 5.6M, which is reasonable considering all it added was 5-6 hour campaign. I don't think it shaped hardcore market but it did provide some interesting and innovative alternatives that can provide new and fresh experiences. Gears is also a good example as both gears have sold 6m apiece, with the 3rd looking to outperform the previous iterations, also majority of the multiplat games sold better on X360 before, but now PS3 is catching up and selling them on par or even higher in some cases - multiplat games of established games such as resident evil etc.


Regardless of the definition of "hardcore" the games on both X360 and PS3 are fairly similar. If the PS3 couldnt attract customers then it would make sense that neither would the X360.

Eh, before this generation gamers were ALWAYS similar with each other, didn't stop things like the Dreamcast from bombing.

PS3 could of just bombed if the 360 picked up faster, like if they got say... FF13 and it released before PS3 came out and Forza was a little better and hearleded as the new driving sim.



darthdevidem01 on 22 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
silicon said:
NotStan said:
silicon said:

Welll if PS3 died it would mean that there wasn't a market for hardcore gaming... meaing games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and Killzone failed to attract an audience. If these games failed to attract an audience then all similar games would also fail to attract an audience. This would mean that X360 would have done a lot worse then it did and may be close to failing itself. The gaming industry would shift, and gamers like myself would have less intersting games to play.

I don't know, games on X360 that can be classed as "hardcore" have done reasonably well, Halo 3 is the top selling game, second only to MW2 and it's expansion, ODST pulled something like 5.6M, which is reasonable considering all it added was 5-6 hour campaign. I don't think it shaped hardcore market but it did provide some interesting and innovative alternatives that can provide new and fresh experiences. Gears is also a good example as both gears have sold 6m apiece, with the 3rd looking to outperform the previous iterations, also majority of the multiplat games sold better on X360 before, but now PS3 is catching up and selling them on par or even higher in some cases - multiplat games of established games such as resident evil etc.


Regardless of the definition of "hardcore" the games on both X360 and PS3 are fairly similar. If the PS3 couldnt attract customers then it would make sense that neither would the X360.

Eh, before this generation gamers were ALWAYS similar with each other, didn't stop things like the Dreamcast from bombing.

But this is the playstation brand we are talking about.

If a hardcore system from that brand had failed it would signal a huge change in market trends as gamers ignored the brand's attraction and hardcore games.

I mean Dreamcast was coming off the SEGA Saturn LOLOLOL



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NotStan on 22 February 2011
silicon said:
NotStan said:
silicon said:

Welll if PS3 died it would mean that there wasn't a market for hardcore gaming... meaing games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and Killzone failed to attract an audience. If these games failed to attract an audience then all similar games would also fail to attract an audience. This would mean that X360 would have done a lot worse then it did and may be close to failing itself. The gaming industry would shift, and gamers like myself would have less intersting games to play.

I don't know, games on X360 that can be classed as "hardcore" have done reasonably well, Halo 3 is the top selling game, second only to MW2 and it's expansion, ODST pulled something like 5.6M, which is reasonable considering all it added was 5-6 hour campaign. I don't think it shaped hardcore market but it did provide some interesting and innovative alternatives that can provide new and fresh experiences. Gears is also a good example as both gears have sold 6m apiece, with the 3rd looking to outperform the previous iterations, also majority of the multiplat games sold better on X360 before, but now PS3 is catching up and selling them on par or even higher in some cases - multiplat games of established games such as resident evil etc.


Regardless of the definition of "hardcore" the games on both X360 and PS3 are fairly similar. If the PS3 couldnt attract customers then it would make sense that neither would the X360.

But X360 came out first so wouldn't it be the other way around? :S, we could agree on them being co-dependent of each other, without the competition I don't think that we'll be where we are, but the infact the impact of either would not have been that dramatic. I think in most cases X360 and PS3 were riding off the previous generations breakthroughs, Xbox and PS2.



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darthdevidem01 on 22 February 2011
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:

If PS3 had failed you can say bye bye to loads of 3rd party games on Xbox 360...loads more 3rd parties would be on Wii then. (unless each lost PS3 owner would be a xbox 360 owner...but its never that simple...not in EMEAA or Japan). At the least you would see almost every major Japanese 3rd party title moving to Wii.

HD DVD would win.

Wii would have over a 50% marketshare. (again unless every lost PS3 owner become a xbox 360 owner but its never really that simple)

In Japan and EU PS3 has been a big competition to the Wii in the past year.

I consider PS3 and Xbox 360's sales to be a major reason for their amazing third party support, without one I think the other wouldn't have as many great games. Its cool to think of it like that too!

Why do people think this?

Sony owns the most movie studio's out of everyone and had  a strong consortium of Blu-ray only people.

While the HD-DVD alliance was only filled with people paid to not leave.

HD-DVD would of NEVER won because none of the Sony owned movie studios would of released their libraries on HD-DVD.

But it made sense to say it, but after you said all that no.



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NotStan on 22 February 2011
NYANKS said:
NotStan said:
NYANKS said:
NotStan said:
NYANKS said:

Xbox would charge more for the internet.  And there would be a lot fewer good games, seeing as Sony's are amongst the best this gen.

Also, if PS2 failed, Microsoft wouldn't be in videogames.

I don't know about that one. I think if PS1 failed then MS wouldn't be in video games, but the gap between the release of PS2 and Xbox is only a year, unless the first Xbox was designed in a year I don't think that was the case, but I don't see how that sentence contributes to the topic :S

I just felt like some were belittling the company's contributuon to videogames, which is silly at this point.  Admittedly, it was off point a bit.  But PS1 or PS2, the point remains the same.  And I think the two top points are vaild, if I think of more I'll add later lol.

Well to be fair, PS3 was released last this generation, so to say the least, nothing else would have happened if it didn't release :p. Changing hardware will affect how the older games will be played and the people who brought the consoles from start would get shafted, the only major contribution is BluRay but that's as a whole and not gaming as it does not apply to Wii and 360.
Not undermining PS3 as I would like to have one when funds do permit me to get one, but without it the only factor that would change is the lack of competition on the market and lack of diversity that the PS3 library offers. Seeing as PS3 was released last, if it does have any impact on the videogame industry we will see it next gen, maybe MS's answer to BluRay or something like that. Quite frankly BluRay just rapes normal DVD in the face.

P.S To those citing the console revisions, those have been around for a while now.

I don't really disagree with anything, but I wanted to mention that PS3 being in third was dictated by nothing more than releasing third, as we've come to see.  Had it released first, it would just be the reverse.  But these are just daydreams lol.

P.S.  My My second sentence TOTALLY just rhymed.  Points to me.

Yeah I think the fact that it released third and was considerably more expensive than the direct competitor at the time dictated poor sales performance until later in it's life cycle, when the price gap is considerably less. I think Wii would have raped either way :p



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Kasz216 on 22 February 2011
darthdevidem01 said:
Kasz216 said:
silicon said:
NotStan said:
silicon said:

Welll if PS3 died it would mean that there wasn't a market for hardcore gaming... meaing games like Heavy Rain, Uncharted, Gran Turismo and Killzone failed to attract an audience. If these games failed to attract an audience then all similar games would also fail to attract an audience. This would mean that X360 would have done a lot worse then it did and may be close to failing itself. The gaming industry would shift, and gamers like myself would have less intersting games to play.

I don't know, games on X360 that can be classed as "hardcore" have done reasonably well, Halo 3 is the top selling game, second only to MW2 and it's expansion, ODST pulled something like 5.6M, which is reasonable considering all it added was 5-6 hour campaign. I don't think it shaped hardcore market but it did provide some interesting and innovative alternatives that can provide new and fresh experiences. Gears is also a good example as both gears have sold 6m apiece, with the 3rd looking to outperform the previous iterations, also majority of the multiplat games sold better on X360 before, but now PS3 is catching up and selling them on par or even higher in some cases - multiplat games of established games such as resident evil etc.


Regardless of the definition of "hardcore" the games on both X360 and PS3 are fairly similar. If the PS3 couldnt attract customers then it would make sense that neither would the X360.

Eh, before this generation gamers were ALWAYS similar with each other, didn't stop things like the Dreamcast from bombing.

But this is the playstation brand we are talking about.

If a hardcore system from that brand had failed it would signal a huge change in market trends as gamers ignored the brand's attraction and hardcore games.

I mean Dreamcast was coming off the SEGA Saturn LOLOLOL

Er? The Sega Saturn was actually pretty popular?  Espiecally in Japan?  Thanks to this guy.



The Dreamcast failed because of the anger at the Saturn being canceled so fast in fact.



huaxiong90 on 22 February 2011

The generation would have ended if the PS3 failed. Didn't they say "Next gen doesn't start until we say so"?



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