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Shane said:
If we're going based on trends, I have two that matter more. Sony has won the last two generations without breaking a sweat. Most major third party games have been and continue to be on PS2/3.

Sony really doesn't have much in the way of games in the US either, but the big stumbling block in Japan is that PS2 dominates the charts (DS notwithstanding), so developers just keep releasing games for that. As we go further in the year, we will start to see the fruit of development resources shifting away from the PS2.

With those figures I meant US alone. Globally, I'd expect Sony to hit shipments of 15 million by the end of the next fiscal year. 360 is a very attractive platform at the moment, as long as the key focus is US sales, which for most developers it probably is.


Even if Sony won last generation it wont matter in this generation. If Sony continue to be third in USA and 2nd in Japan for the next coming 12 months, 3rd party devs will go for another plattform.

They at least have Resistance and Motorstorm, Japan has Gundam, and that game fell of the charts.

So sony will ship 15 million by the end of next fiscal year, might be correct how many sold?



 

 

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Legend11 said:

I'm just surprised that a machine with 88megs of memory, a 729Mhz processor, and a gpu clocked at 243mhz is going toe to toe and winning against far more power machines.  It'll be interesting to see how the machine ages compared to the other two consoles. 

I have a feeling that starting next year both Microsoft and Sony will play up the stats of their machines compared to the Wii (sort of similar to what Nintendo and Sega once did except this time the numbers will be so lopsided that people will do a double take).  I know if I was marketing either machine that's what I would do to try to stop the Wii juggernaut.  I doubt the vast majority of Wii consumers know just how weak their system is compared to the other two and think because it's next generation it must be near similar in power when they aren't even in the same league.


You could think that console does not age, as long it's popular and gets games at decent rate. It's not the power, it's the gameplay. Besides, i think everyone knows, that high-end PC:s are more powerful than high-end consoles. You see, if you want powerful machine to play with, you buy a PC, if you want better gameplay, you buy a console. Now someone might mention the price between high-end PC and console, and thats true. Consoles compete against PC:s with price and useability. Now looking at how gameplay differs between 360/PS3 and Wii, we have a similar argumentation, between differen consoles, that what we had between PC gaming and console gaming. Oh, PC also has free online and superior community than all the consoles combined. I think it would be bad marketing to focus on competitors weaknesses instead of own strengths, the point is to make people realise themselves, in which one console is better than others. And with Wii, its strenghts are more easy to see.

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Legend11 said:
bdbdbd said:
Legend11 said:

I'm just surprised that a machine with 88megs of memory, a 729Mhz processor, and a gpu clocked at 243mhz is going toe to toe and winning against far more power machines.  It'll be interesting to see how the machine ages compared to the other two consoles. 

I have a feeling that starting next year both Microsoft and Sony will play up the stats of their machines compared to the Wii (sort of similar to what Nintendo and Sega once did except this time the numbers will be so lopsided that people will do a double take).  I know if I was marketing either machine that's what I would do to try to stop the Wii juggernaut.  I doubt the vast majority of Wii consumers know just how weak their system is compared to the other two and think because it's next generation it must be near similar in power when they aren't even in the same league.


 

You could think that console does not age, as long it's popular and gets games at decent rate. It's not the power, it's the gameplay. Besides, i think everyone knows, that high-end PC:s are more powerful than high-end consoles. You see, if you want powerful machine to play with, you buy a PC, if you want better gameplay, you buy a console. Now someone might mention the price between high-end PC and console, and thats true. Consoles compete against PC:s with price and useability. Now looking at how gameplay differs between 360/PS3 and Wii, we have a similar argumentation, between differen consoles, that what we had between PC gaming and console gaming. Oh, PC also has free online and superior community than all the consoles combined. I think it would be bad marketing to focus on competitors weaknesses instead of own strengths, the point is to make people realise themselves, in which one console is better than others. And with Wii, its strenghts are more easy to see.

A lot of companies have charts comparing their product to the competition and it both plays up their strengths and showcases their competition's weaknesses.  Here's an example of what the chart would look like for Microsoft: 

 

                                   "Now who's playing with power?" 

                                     Xbox 360                                   Wii

                    Ram          512MB                                       88MB

                    CPU          3200Mhz PPC Triple-Core          729Mhz PPC

                    GPU          500Mhz 10MB eDRAM                243Mhz 3MB eDRAM*

High Def Capable        Yes                                             No

*Nintendo refuses to give out more information on it's GPU or to give any comparison benchmarks against the Xbox 360.  It's believed that their GPU is a generation or possibly two behind the Xbox 360's so the comparison stats for the GPU do not give an accurate representation of how much more powerful the Xbox 360's is compared to the Wii's.

 


And this will look to most consumers like:

  "Now who's playing with power?" 

                                     Xbox 360                                   Wii

                    ???           512??                                       88??

                    ???          3200??? ??? ??????-????          729??? ???

                    ???          500??? ??? ?????               243??? ??? ?????

??? ??? ???????        Yes                                             No



Legend11 said:

A lot of companies have charts comparing their product to the competition and it both plays up their strengths and showcases their competition's weaknesses.  Here's an example of what the chart would look like for Microsoft: 

 

                                   "Now who's playing with power?" 

                                     Xbox 360                                   Wii

                    Ram          512MB                                       88MB

                    CPU          3200Mhz PPC Triple-Core          729Mhz PPC

                    GPU          500Mhz 10MB eDRAM                243Mhz 3MB eDRAM*

High Def Capable        Yes                                             No

*Nintendo refuses to give out more information on it's GPU or to give any comparison benchmarks against the Xbox 360.  It's believed that their GPU is a generation or possibly two behind the Xbox 360's so the comparison stats for the GPU do not give an accurate representation of how much more powerful the Xbox 360's is compared to the Wii's.

 

The thing with Nintendo in this generation is that they don't need charts. They have good word of mouth, free publicity, and great marketing. No one cares about power. People see Conan O'brien playing against Serena Williams in Wii Tennis. They see Al Roker play Wii Sports. They see Tiger Woods take a real golf swing and see it being mimicked on screen. Nintendo's commercials don't have that have melting babies.

It's like the Toyota Prius. People don't really know what's under the hood. All they know is that it saves gas and saves the planet. Sells like crazy. All people know about the Wii is that it's fun. Sells like crazy.



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Legend11 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Legend11 said:
bdbdbd said:
Legend11 said:

I'm just surprised that a machine with 88megs of memory, a 729Mhz processor, and a gpu clocked at 243mhz is going toe to toe and winning against far more power machines.  It'll be interesting to see how the machine ages compared to the other two consoles. 

I have a feeling that starting next year both Microsoft and Sony will play up the stats of their machines compared to the Wii (sort of similar to what Nintendo and Sega once did except this time the numbers will be so lopsided that people will do a double take).  I know if I was marketing either machine that's what I would do to try to stop the Wii juggernaut.  I doubt the vast majority of Wii consumers know just how weak their system is compared to the other two and think because it's next generation it must be near similar in power when they aren't even in the same league.


 

You could think that console does not age, as long it's popular and gets games at decent rate. It's not the power, it's the gameplay. Besides, i think everyone knows, that high-end PC:s are more powerful than high-end consoles. You see, if you want powerful machine to play with, you buy a PC, if you want better gameplay, you buy a console. Now someone might mention the price between high-end PC and console, and thats true. Consoles compete against PC:s with price and useability. Now looking at how gameplay differs between 360/PS3 and Wii, we have a similar argumentation, between differen consoles, that what we had between PC gaming and console gaming. Oh, PC also has free online and superior community than all the consoles combined. I think it would be bad marketing to focus on competitors weaknesses instead of own strengths, the point is to make people realise themselves, in which one console is better than others. And with Wii, its strenghts are more easy to see.

A lot of companies have charts comparing their product to the competition and it both plays up their strengths and showcases their competition's weaknesses.  Here's an example of what the chart would look like for Microsoft: 

 

                                   "Now who's playing with power?" 

                                     Xbox 360                                   Wii

                    Ram          512MB                                       88MB

                    CPU          3200Mhz PPC Triple-Core          729Mhz PPC

                    GPU          500Mhz 10MB eDRAM                243Mhz 3MB eDRAM*

High Def Capable        Yes                                             No

*Nintendo refuses to give out more information on it's GPU or to give any comparison benchmarks against the Xbox 360.  It's believed that their GPU is a generation or possibly two behind the Xbox 360's so the comparison stats for the GPU do not give an accurate representation of how much more powerful the Xbox 360's is compared to the Wii's.

 


And this will look to most consumers like:

  "Now who's playing with power?" 

                                     Xbox 360                                   Wii

                    ???           512??                                       88??

                    ???          3200??? ??? ??????-????          729??? ???

                    ???          500??? ??? ?????               243??? ??? ?????

??? ??? ???????        Yes                                             No


Really?  It works in other types of sales and has worked in the past for consoles (Nintendo actually used a chart during the snes/genesis days).  People who buy consoles aren't more stupid or any different than people who buy other types of things.  Look at computers, AMD had to adopt their processor rating system (2500+,3200+,etc) because the people who don't know what's under the hood used numbers in order to figure out roughly how powerful systems were to each other.


That could work between 360 and ps3 but not with the wii. wii is from a different league because of the new way to play games. Look at Tiger Woods sales: do you think power matters that much for those who bought it. Imagine what could be with Harry Potter: you do magic spells with the wiimote just like you would use a wand... how can "oh, but 360 and ps3 harry potter are HD" top that?



As long as developers continue to offer games that I want on a platform I own, I will buy them. The PSX and PS2 are examples of that. The PSX survived 'till about 2002-2003 timeframe, whereas the PS2 looks like it will last 'till 2008 or maybe even 2009.



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Legend11 said:

Umm I wasn't talking about Nintendo having charts I was talking about the competition.  Why would Nintendo have a chart that shows how weak their system is power-wise compared to the competition.  People who don't know what's under the hood do understand numbers and would know from reading that chart which system was a lot more powerful.  Microsoft or Sony could also show screenshot comparisons of multi-platform games (Call of Duty 3 looks shockingly horrible on the Wii compared to the Xbox 360/PS3) but of course they can't come out and do that because they would likely piss off 3rd parties who make multi-platform games.


You're right, Nintendo wouldn't show charts showing how weak their system is. That's why they show people playing the system instead, rather than throwing numbers around. Those charts are for those who really know what those numbers mean. Do you think a mom comes into GameStop and looks at that chart and says to herself "Damn, the 360 is so much more powerful?" No they go in there and look at the price first. Maybe ask a sales rep for advice. Then will probably go for the least expensive choice. Like I said, numbers go right over most people's heads. It's cool that you give the customer a lot of credit. However, most of them don't have a clue.

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