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mantlepiecek on 07 February 2011
AussieGecko said:
mantlepiecek said:

Hmm...I don't like Sony as much as you think. If Sony did what MS did this gen I would have hated them as well. Its the act that counts, not the name. Its one of the reasons I don't dislike nintendo (I actually like their staff cause they are quite down to earth compared to Sony and MS.) even though I don't own a single nintendo console.

360 will have support, but not from MS, but from 3rd party. I don't think they will stop selling the 360 like the original xbox though.


@xboxsupport is in the guiness book of records for helpful support... I don't know why there is anything wrong with their staff. In fact I know plenty of people from both companies, they seem to be down to earth (sony and ms)... you shouldn't generalise.

I didn't mean that staff. I meant the general people/developers belonging to nintendo like Miyamoto and others. I couldn't find a better word at that time.



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AussieGecko on 07 February 2011
mantlepiecek said:

I didn't mean that staff. I meant the general people/developers belonging to nintendo like Miyamoto and others. I couldn't find a better word at that time.


fair enough. Continue then :p

MS staff and RIDGE RACERRRR should be barred from ever commenting in the media again haha



 

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pizzahut451 on 07 February 2011
Reach said:
mantlepiecek said:

MS wanted to gain market share from Sony and they got it, but they had to ship broken consoles to achieve it.

In the end, I would say the one who actually won is Sony because they are not only catching up to MS, they are not going to ignore their fanbase in the process(original xbox anyone? RROD anyone? Kinect anyone?), and they are still only $299 price range. AND even then, they are catching up, reducing the gap with each quarter.

You can almost say goodbye to xbox 360 support if it ends up being in the third place. Same thing can't and won't be said about the PS3, because its in 3rd place and its doing mighty good for a 3rd place console. It hasn't even reached $199, when it does you can expect Sony to go above the second position permanent.

Wii is the only system that took real market share from Sony, not MS. 2.88 million difference with a $100 price difference and 1 year headstart....

Tough competition indeed.

360 took ALOT of market share from Playstation BRAND... Look at SW sales in US back in 2003 and see them now and you will see that... Madden sold better on Ps2 times and all the others game and now Ps3 is absolutely destroyed over there when it cames to every type of game in US , Cod , MAdden , Fallout etc... MS wetn from 24M to 50M and Counting , the steal consumers from Sony and im one of those , Wii Stole the Casual userbase , MS took alot of CoRe Gamers to their Console and will Call of duty mainly advertised for Xbox Brand Halo and Gears... i cant see that changing anytime soon... But strange things happen... Everything is possible... Serious who thought Wii would be in 1st after gamecube ?? Fuck no one! Everything can change in a single year... in Fact everything can change this year and PSP2 beat the hell out of 3DS.

EDIT: Wrong quote



pizzahut451 on 07 February 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,





irstupid on 07 February 2011

comparing alined dates is pointless.

THIS IS NOT A RACE

This is a business.  If they were truly released at same time, guarantee that sales numbers would not be the same.  If ps3 was released first, sales numbers would not be the same.  it only works comparing things like that if their RATES remain the same.

The PS3 and 360 sales rates would be diffferent with different release dates, so you can't say PS3 would be winning if alined, or that 360 would be winning if alined.  Its all assumptions.  The ps3 if released same time may have sold at a faster rate than it did or at a slower rate.  Same with 360.

Make a Topic about how the Wii is outselling the PS2 and see how many positive responses you get. 



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Kynes on 07 February 2011
pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,



XBox losses are nearer to 4 billion than to 6 billion. MS discontinued the Xbox just when they announced the X360.



Mr Puggsly on 07 February 2011
pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,



Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.



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mantlepiecek on 07 February 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
pizzahut451 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
monsterone said:

...so if we were to adjust sales for comparable time on the market, which console has sold more? I have been wondering this for a while. seems odd that I havent scene this on the forums before. any info would be great.

And...?

PS1 easily outsold Saturn and it was released later. That is irrelevant because the PS1-Saturn gap was 80 Million. It wouldnt make ANY diffrence if Saturn launched 3 years before PS1, the result would have been the same, PS1 would be still ahead. Now, if PS3 and Xbox would launch at the same time, PS3 would be easly aheaad, because if you count the PS3's sales from Nov 2006, PS3 sold 1.5 million more consoles than Xbox 360 worldwide.

PS2 easily outsold Dreamcast and it was released later.This is even more irrelevant since PS2-Dreamcast gap is 140 Million . Not to mention Dreamcast died after year or two after launch.

PS3 isn't outselling anything and is the biggest financial failure in gaming history. Lets stop being so worried about Xbox 360 and focus on that.Biggest financial failure its not, original Xbox lost about 6 billion, CD-i was also disaster and of course Dreamcast, i wont even compare software sales with these consoles. PS3 outsold Xbox in both 2010 and 2009 by quite the large margin, the sales in this time of year can be erased with 1 won week in holiday sales. In 2009, Xbox was outselling PS3 for every week in 2009 till September, where PS3 erased the gap in 4 weeks. These sales in thse part of year really dont mean much,



Past Sony console outsold the competition easily. Its so petty to see PS3 fans looking at timelines so PS3 appears to be more successful. I'm just stressing how poor the brand is doing.

As mentioned, it was closer to $4 billion Xbox lost. Sony's gaming division lost like $5 billion since launching PS3. Hence, PS3 lost far more than $5 billion because its been losing profits made by PS2 and PSP as well.

The other machines you mentioned, I don't know how much they lost but I'm sure its small fraction of what MS and Sony has put into hardware.


You are just stressing how poor the brand did, not doing. Its doing very well right now. When this gen ends PS3 will most likely have profited from this gen (Sony expects it to, anyway) and that will undo the "biggest financial failure of gaming history".

Just because Federer used to be 1st, and is now under Nadal doesn't make him a loser. Just saying



nightsurge on 07 February 2011
Wagram said:
NotStan said:
Wagram said:

There is a year difference between the HD consoles and fanboys seem to completely disregard that. On a time from launch basis the PS3 is beating the 360 by a good margin.

Au contraire, it's the fanboys that insist on aligning the launch dates so they can claim that PS3 is the king, boo hoo MS got a year head start, people are cherry picking as if releasing a product earlier is an illegal practice.

Gen started when MS released the 360, so the sales of all the consoles entering that gen count from the beginning. Wii came out later and still managed to whoop the 360.


Believe what you will but the data shows that Sony is in fact winning. However Nintendo is winning all around.

Lol? Didn't realize being millions behind counted as winning?



Viper1 on 07 February 2011
mantlepiecek said:


You are just stressing how poor the brand did, not doing. Its doing very well right now. When this gen ends PS3 will most likely have profited from this gen (Sony expects it to, anyway) and that will undo the "biggest financial failure of gaming history".

Just because Federer used to be 1st, and is now under Nadal doesn't make him a loser. Just saying


Not possible.  they didn't even generate enough profit in the PS and PS2 era to cover that loss.  How are they supposed to make even more than they did in 2 highly successful generations with just 2-3 years left in the generation?



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