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DarkintheLight on 03 February 2011
SuperAnthony64 said:
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

Maybe the ps3 is really the ps4. Think about that. 15 year life span.

I've been wondering the same thing myself, if ps3 is able to compete with the next xbox and nintendo system processing power wise I see no reason for them to release a new console, maybe a ps3 with a faster blu ray drive but thats about it 


or crossfire two ps3's to make a ps6. boom! skipping 2 gens. all kidding aside, after playing the killzone 3 mp demo today i am really begining to think the ps3's power is limitless. I cant belive how great that game looks. probably one of the best looking game out. I really think its on par with metro 2033 pc. just needs that sweet smoke effect in the metro and the foggy goggles.  just give me keyboard and mouse support for all the fps games and i will go back to ps3 being my leading game plat of choice.

Keyboard and mouse support are up to the devs of the game and thats just stupid putting 2 ps3s together, though if ps3 really can compete the whole next gen Sony would have a huge advantage if they keep the ps3 though I doubt they will, people just tend to do whats expected though it does depend on what the specs for the other two consoles will be



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C.Flat on 03 February 2011

The only issue I have with the beta is that it seems like my character has serious tunnel vision compared to other games I've played

 

EDIT: Wrong thread X__X



ssj12 on 03 February 2011
NYANKS said:
Crystalchild said:

knewing that w/o being a member. :>

yes, the PS3 is, theoretically, much stronger than 360 Wii combined. The Problem is, that the stuff inside the 360 is more opted for gaming than the PS3, so much of this power is going to waste.

Really? I didn't know that.  So PS3's architecture is wasting that much energy?  Source?  Stronger than both combined would be nuts...


The CELL is a stronger multimedia and imaging processor. This is why the PS3 has been rated one of the best Blu-ray players since launch, and the Slim PS3 has a slightly improved CELL that improved its ability to decode audio. It is also very useful for medical instruments, which it can produce a sliced image of a person in 1/10th of the time standard imaging equipment was able to do before the CELL's launch.

It is really the incorrect processor for a gaming console.



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ssj12 on 03 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

Maybe the ps3 is really the ps4. Think about that. 15 year life span.

I've been wondering the same thing myself, if ps3 is able to compete with the next xbox and nintendo system processing power wise I see no reason for them to release a new console, maybe a ps3 with a faster blu ray drive but thats about it 


or crossfire two ps3's to make a ps6. boom! skipping 2 gens. all kidding aside, after playing the killzone 3 mp demo today i am really begining to think the ps3's power is limitless. I cant belive how great that game looks. probably one of the best looking game out. I really think its on par with metro 2033 pc. just needs that sweet smoke effect in the metro and the foggy goggles.  just give me keyboard and mouse support for all the fps games and i will go back to ps3 being my leading game plat of choice.

Keyboard and mouse support are up to the devs of the game and thats just stupid putting 2 ps3s together, though if ps3 really can compete the whole next gen Sony would have a huge advantage if they keep the ps3 though I doubt they will, people just tend to do whats expected though it does depend on what the specs for the other two consoles will be

Polyphony put two PS3s together and ran an early GT5 build in a 4k resolution at a perfect 60fps with full raytracing. That was stunning.



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SuperAnthony64 on 03 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

Maybe the ps3 is really the ps4. Think about that. 15 year life span.

I've been wondering the same thing myself, if ps3 is able to compete with the next xbox and nintendo system processing power wise I see no reason for them to release a new console, maybe a ps3 with a faster blu ray drive but thats about it 


or crossfire two ps3's to make a ps6. boom! skipping 2 gens. all kidding aside, after playing the killzone 3 mp demo today i am really begining to think the ps3's power is limitless. I cant belive how great that game looks. probably one of the best looking game out. I really think its on par with metro 2033 pc. just needs that sweet smoke effect in the metro and the foggy goggles.  just give me keyboard and mouse support for all the fps games and i will go back to ps3 being my leading game plat of choice.

Keyboard and mouse support are up to the devs of the game and thats just stupid putting 2 ps3s together, though if ps3 really can compete the whole next gen Sony would have a huge advantage if they keep the ps3 though I doubt they will, people just tend to do whats expected though it does depend on what the specs for the other two consoles will be

the 2 ps3 thing was a joke.



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Crazymann on 03 February 2011
SuperAnthony64 said:
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

Maybe the ps3 is really the ps4. Think about that. 15 year life span.

I've been wondering the same thing myself, if ps3 is able to compete with the next xbox and nintendo system processing power wise I see no reason for them to release a new console, maybe a ps3 with a faster blu ray drive but thats about it 


or crossfire two ps3's to make a ps6. boom! skipping 2 gens. all kidding aside, after playing the killzone 3 mp demo today i am really begining to think the ps3's power is limitless. I cant belive how great that game looks. probably one of the best looking game out. I really think its on par with metro 2033 pc. just needs that sweet smoke effect in the metro and the foggy goggles.  just give me keyboard and mouse support for all the fps games and i will go back to ps3 being my leading game plat of choice.

It's great that you were so happy with the game, but even the fastest processor will choke if not provided with enough RAM.  The PS3 is clearly RAM limited.  On the other hand, if Sony is smart, the PS4 will basically be a scaled-up version of CELL with more RAM (say 2GB).  Then it can be made cheaply and with PS3 BC.  Hopefully, by then, PS2 can be emulated, and all your PS needs will be housed in 1 machine.



DonFerrari on 04 February 2011
ssj12 said:
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
DarkintheLight said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

Maybe the ps3 is really the ps4. Think about that. 15 year life span.

I've been wondering the same thing myself, if ps3 is able to compete with the next xbox and nintendo system processing power wise I see no reason for them to release a new console, maybe a ps3 with a faster blu ray drive but thats about it 


or crossfire two ps3's to make a ps6. boom! skipping 2 gens. all kidding aside, after playing the killzone 3 mp demo today i am really begining to think the ps3's power is limitless. I cant belive how great that game looks. probably one of the best looking game out. I really think its on par with metro 2033 pc. just needs that sweet smoke effect in the metro and the foggy goggles.  just give me keyboard and mouse support for all the fps games and i will go back to ps3 being my leading game plat of choice.

Keyboard and mouse support are up to the devs of the game and thats just stupid putting 2 ps3s together, though if ps3 really can compete the whole next gen Sony would have a huge advantage if they keep the ps3 though I doubt they will, people just tend to do whats expected though it does depend on what the specs for the other two consoles will be

Polyphony put two PS3s together and ran an early GT5 build in a 4k resolution at a perfect 60fps with full raytracing. That was stunning.


It almost make me want to buy another ps3, but i wouldn't have a TV for it... but for everyone that complain about GT5 flaws, just buy another PS3 and "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON HAAAAA" (Dragon Ball)... 4,5M extra PS3 sold by now, or 10M by the end of the generation...



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Squilliam on 04 February 2011

A super computer is more than just peak lops...



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snakenobi on 04 February 2011
darkknightkryta said:
snakenobi said:
Crystalchild said:

knewing that w/o being a member. :>

yes, the PS3 is, theoretically, much stronger than 360 Wii combined. The Problem is, that the stuff inside the 360 is more opted for gaming than the PS3, so much of this power is gone to waste.


what do you mean being opted for gaming?

the main problem with the PS3 was its architecture which was completely different from the existing computer architecture but had more capabilities at low price and it would be expensive to extract the same performance out of the existing architecture

360 architecture was the same as computers

and Wii was too

 

Interesting that you say that, cause back at release the 360's GPU was very different from current GPUs with its unified shader architecture, yet the PS3 believe it or not was closer to PC at the time, except with an alien processor (Though the 360 had an alien processor at the time too, though not as alien as what the PS3 had).

whattttt

360 had a unified structure but its workings were the same as the computers being used

CELL on the other hand  was and still is different from normal computers out there

 

you talk about that time and now as if alot has changed.its not.



slowmo on 04 February 2011
dahuman said:
Onibaka said:

Cell is not THAT good in GPU. They went from the 2xCell PS3 in 2004/2005 to the  Cell RSX in 2006. They realized that Cell doesn't surpass even a cheap GPU in some tasks. Its a waste for a CPU, with can process complex codes, to only perform simple tasks that only requires brutal force, like a GPU.

What I find funny is that all the experience that IBM gained by developing the Cell was used to make the Xenos(x360's processor). There are even rumours about some secrets of Cell being revealed for the development of Xenos, like while Sony IBM Toshiba were developing the Cell, some workers from IBM worked in both projects. Xenos have 3 PPUs almost identical of the Cell one. Both have 3.2GHz. I think that Microsoft wanted to make a console easy to make ports from. By releasing X360 early, MS pretty much assured that would have a very good support for their plataform. For the very loyal developers, there is nothing that money can't buy...

 

Actually, I think that if the PS3 didn't have a Blu-Ray, but instead a 8800GTX as GPU, they could have outsold Xbox360by a larger margin at today.

You have one thing in reverse, The 360 Xeno came before the Cell in the experimental cycle, it's just a Tri-Core PowerPC, it's no different than any multicore CPUs we see today in it's basic design form. The current Cell and Power PC CPUs are on a completely different level in the computing world of course. Cell is really a different design and I can't say it was the best option as a dev friendly gaming only CPU but it's really efficient at pretty much everything if you can code for it correctly, fortunately, we are already there after years of criticism. HD consoels suffer the same problems, not enough memory, and outdated video chipsets, though PS3 is not suffering as badly if you make games exclusively for it in an overall sense.

The Cell was in the works for over a year before Microsoft went to IBM requesting their chip design.  In the end the core they decided upon for their CPU was the top secret one being designed for Sony.  Microsoft then started working alongside IBM on the quiet as IBM knew Sony wouldn't be happy finding their technology in the enemies hands (although IBM as partners over the rights had every right to use it).

The 360 is indeed similar to a Power PC CPU but it still isn't "just a Tri-Core PowerPC", in performance terms it buried every PowerPC CPU made up to that point in terms of performance and power consumption. 

Both chips were finished around the same time ultimately and both could have been even faster if some small contraints weren't made in the core that occasionally benefitted one design more than the other.