They aren't nubs, they are actual sticks. And they are in totally different positions, i'm wondering if you have seen the NGP yet.

i doubt it, the sales of FPS games are abysmal on the DS. If you what you say is true, there would be way better sales and an actual market for them on the DS.

The best games on the PSP are the "wannabe console" games. So i wouldn't be so quick to underestimate them.

Eh ergonomics are more than just shape but placement too, the PSP nub wasn't bad on your hands because it slid or because the system wasn't curvy enough, it was the placement, and that's the same place they decided to put these sticks at, and still without something to stabilize your whole hand.

See the hand placement?  Alright when you use the analog on the PSP you have to angle your hand or else it hurts your thumb, that requires your palm and back fingers to be angled out as well, something that happens when you play with the PS1/2/3 controllers as well but they stabilize your hand with grips.

Without these grips your hands eventually cramp up a bit and it's also hard to stabilize your stick... no a normal person will not notice nor care, but when I'm sitting there trying to play a racing game on PSP with the stick it's frustrating as hell when it causes cramps and you might fidget thus ruining a good drift. 

The reason the DS doesn't have such issues is the same reason the NES controller didn't have the issue which is the D pad was closer to center and you were at least gripping something. 

Also I want to know what is up with that concave D pad... so odd...

If you are the type of person that brings a portable gaming console when on vacation and play it on the beach or anywhere else other than the airport and plane...you are pretty hardcore in to gaming, and dual analog sticks may be important to you as you really might enjoy console types of games on the go.

But for most of us who play these games as a quick gaming fix on the bus, train to work...or as a short session before bed when we cant sleep...console types of games are just not a good mobile gaming experience. I personally can't play something like COD or Halo while on the go...you have to be completely oblivious to your surroundings since the game requires 100% of your attention and I can't do that when I have people around me.

Spot on and I couldn't have said it better.  One of the things that brought down the PSP was the lack of games that were meant as portable games and not home console games on the go.  PSP had a slew of PS2 ports and most of them didn't sell well at all, people want short bursts, not a game you sit and play for a couple of hours.

Pokemon is the definition of portable gaming, MH does this well, Crisis Core tried to stick to that formula of 10 minutes and done... but those games were few and far between on PSP... while on DS they were the bread and butter of the console, plus they had many versatile games like Mario Kart, New Super Mario Bros, and Shonin Jump Super/ultimate stars (I imported it so sue me) all games you could sit down and focus on or play a quick round and go about your day.

DS isn't a very suited handheld for FPS for graphical reasons. The standard for today FPS games is Halo, CSS and CoD.

A DS FPS despite very good controls (see metroid prime hunters) doesn't can't compete on the technical level, also DS online network doesn't make it much enticiting.

It just my opinion though. Try out a DS FPS for yourself, except CoD. It has heavy camera controls, don't know why.

Well there's your the problem in your logic - - The best games on PSP are nothing compared to the best games overall

There isn't a SINGLE PSP game in sight in the top 50 games, neither review wise nor sales wise

I give you an "A for effort" for the elaborate post and explanation, but as someone who's used the DSl over extended periods of time when I was stuck in the field, it is not what I consider to be ergonomic, natural, or comfortable to use.

Compact packaging came first with just about zero regard given in the design process to ergonomics. If I were to bother with case mods, I probably would have shaved both lower corners off and sanded them to smooth contours, which still wouldn't have addressed the "crab claw" hand position when using the shoulder buttons.

In short, the DS practically gives me hand cramps when I use it for any decent length of time. I like it for what it is, but ergomoic it ain't.

The analog sticks on the NGP are positioned much higher up than the "nub" on the PSP. Just below the central axis. In fact, given the size of the device, I'm willing to bet that they're positioned higher up than the D pad on the DS you consider to be ideally placed.

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