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Final Fantasy: Officialy burnt out?

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Chibi.V.29 said:

Sorry to be rude Cone but i have enjoyed reading almost every one of your threads, not because i nesaserily agree but because they where original. This subject is getting incredibly boring. people say how the series is slowly during when because there getting worse. Shore ff13 wasn't revived as well as many before but 12 was still sitting at 92 (as was ff10) on meta so how is it slowly getting worse. its just 1 game. Little big planet 2 is on 91 and nobody is sayign little big plabnet is dying. Shore ff14 was terrible but people have been saying his loong before ff14's release.

I...I didn't know. I apologise

(Is this your rant?)

At any rate, next week will be original, I hope, so not to disappoint you again. Sorry Beuli, but I have another person I need to impress now



 

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Mad55 said:
Wagram said:
SmoothCriminal said:

I've not liked a single FF game, so the series has always been burnt out for me. However, in reality, it's got a decent amount of life left in it, SE just has to pull it together and declare FF7-14 non-canon and just go back to Nintendo and the Nintendo philosophy. Hell, they can stay HD and use the Nintendo philosophy: "If it isn't fun, it doesn't ship." And no, cut-scenes aren't fun. Neither is turn-based combat but that can slide for now.


To me they are. :)

same here

Agreed. Cut-scenes are the best way to display plot in games, I can't imagine any better way of portraying the message personally.

AS LONG as they're done well and skippable (*cough Other M cough*) then that's fine. Then at least you can be engaged by them, or ignore them entirely...



 

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Conegamer said:
Chibi.V.29 said:

Sorry to be rude Cone but i have enjoyed reading almost every one of your threads, not because i nesaserily agree but because they where original. This subject is getting incredibly boring. people say how the series is slowly during when because there getting worse. Shore ff13 wasn't revived as well as many before but 12 was still sitting at 92 (as was ff10) on meta so how is it slowly getting worse. its just 1 game. Little big planet 2 is on 91 and nobody is sayign little big plabnet is dying. Shore ff14 was terrible but people have been saying his loong before ff14's release.

I...I didn't know. I apologise

(Is this your rant?)

At any rate, next week will be original, I hope, so not to disappoint you again. Sorry Beuli, but I have another person I need to impress now

Lol yes this was my rant (i take this topic very seriously  probably one of the few i do :P)

I will be expecting total awesomeness from your next thread!!!! :D



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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Conegamer said:
snfr said:

No, simply no.

I don't see how Final Fantasy is burnt out. When we talk about sales then it's far away from being burnt out.
When we talk about quality then it isn't either, simply because quality is subjective. Seriously, if someone says that he didn't like FF XII or FF XIII or if someone prefers the older FFs, that's absolutely fine. But many let it sound like it's a fact that FF is "shit" now and this is just nonsense.

Every Final Fantasy has its' "haters" and "lovers", at least since FF VII, because that was the point when FF became popular worldwide. The reason for that is pretty simple: every Final Fantasy is different. Many probably don't like recent FFs, but that doesn't mean that they are burnt out.

Is that not the issue though? 

Quality is subjective, and, as you say, since FF7, the series hasn't hit the same heights. Sales-wise it's stronger than ever, but the quality is far more debatable than it has been before.

Uproar has never been higher since FF13, and unless they pull it out of the bag (CERTAINLY NOT FF14) then they'll lose a lot of fans. It isn't dead yet, but, in my opinion, it's only a matter of time. 

Do a metroid. Give it a break, and give them what the fans want...

The quality has always been debatable, even in the 2D era. It's just that less people played it and there wasn't the internet to talk about such things. Franchises which get popular will also get more haters and more lovers at the same time.

The uproar was also pretty big after FF VIII, FF X-2 and FF XII. Some people probably thought the exact same way that you do, but it's still there and there are still many people who love the series, who loved FF XIII (that's where I belong to).

"Give the fans what they want"..... this is impossible. The FF fanbase is so split up that you can't please the whole fanbase or even the bigger part of it. It doesn't matter what SE is doing, they can only try do develope a completely different FF every time so that they are able to please different parts of the fanbase.

Also, I have to say, it's funny. There are a lot of people who complain about Japanese games being stuck in the past and not doing anything new, whatever. And then, if there's a series like FF which does different things with every game people still complain. So it doesn't matter what's happening with JRPGs, you will always see a lot of people who aren't satisfied.



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snfr said:
Conegamer said:
snfr said:

No, simply no.

I don't see how Final Fantasy is burnt out. When we talk about sales then it's far away from being burnt out.
When we talk about quality then it isn't either, simply because quality is subjective. Seriously, if someone says that he didn't like FF XII or FF XIII or if someone prefers the older FFs, that's absolutely fine. But many let it sound like it's a fact that FF is "shit" now and this is just nonsense.

Every Final Fantasy has its' "haters" and "lovers", at least since FF VII, because that was the point when FF became popular worldwide. The reason for that is pretty simple: every Final Fantasy is different. Many probably don't like recent FFs, but that doesn't mean that they are burnt out.

Is that not the issue though? 

Quality is subjective, and, as you say, since FF7, the series hasn't hit the same heights. Sales-wise it's stronger than ever, but the quality is far more debatable than it has been before.

Uproar has never been higher since FF13, and unless they pull it out of the bag (CERTAINLY NOT FF14) then they'll lose a lot of fans. It isn't dead yet, but, in my opinion, it's only a matter of time. 

Do a metroid. Give it a break, and give them what the fans want...

The quality has always been debatable, even in the 2D era. It's just that less people played it and there wasn't the internet to talk about such things. Franchises which get popular will also get more haters and more lovers at the same time.

The uproar was also pretty big after FF VIII, FF X-2 and FF XII. Some people probably thought the exact same way that you do, but it's still there and there are still many people who love the series, who loved FF XIII (that's where I belong to).

"Give the fans what they want"..... this is impossible. The FF fanbase is so split up that you can't please the whole fanbase or even the bigger part of it. It doesn't matter what SE is doing, they can only try do develope a completely different FF every time so that they are able to please different parts of the fanbase.

Also, I have to say, it's funny. There are a lot of people who complain about Japanese games being stuck in the past and not doing anything new, whatever. And then, if there's a series like FF which does different things with every game people still complain. So it doesn't matter what's happening with JRPGs, you will always see a lot of people who aren't satisfied.

That's true I suppose. Giving fans what they want is like trying to please someone with split-personality disorder

But, the fans didn't want FF11, yet they still did FF14? 

FF is moving the series forward, but they need to admit when they've gone wrong. They needed towns, and NPC's. And side-quests. More side-quests. And an open world. And a better levelling up system. And more magic. If that was done it could well be the best game ever...but isn't that just FF12 anyway?



 

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Chibi.V.29 said:
Conegamer said:
Chibi.V.29 said:

Sorry to be rude Cone but i have enjoyed reading almost every one of your threads, not because i nesaserily agree but because they where original. This subject is getting incredibly boring. people say how the series is slowly during when because there getting worse. Shore ff13 wasn't revived as well as many before but 12 was still sitting at 92 (as was ff10) on meta so how is it slowly getting worse. its just 1 game. Little big planet 2 is on 91 and nobody is sayign little big plabnet is dying. Shore ff14 was terrible but people have been saying his loong before ff14's release.

I...I didn't know. I apologise

(Is this your rant?)

At any rate, next week will be original, I hope, so not to disappoint you again. Sorry Beuli, but I have another person I need to impress now

Lol yes this was my rant (i take this topic very seriously  probably one of the few i do :P)

I will be expecting total awesomeness from your next thread!!!! :D

You won't be disappointed then.

TBF I never realised the site was so touchy on the topic, I never expected so many hits...



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Conegamer said:
snfr said:

The quality has always been debatable, even in the 2D era. It's just that less people played it and there wasn't the internet to talk about such things. Franchises which get popular will also get more haters and more lovers at the same time.

The uproar was also pretty big after FF VIII, FF X-2 and FF XII. Some people probably thought the exact same way that you do, but it's still there and there are still many people who love the series, who loved FF XIII (that's where I belong to).

"Give the fans what they want"..... this is impossible. The FF fanbase is so split up that you can't please the whole fanbase or even the bigger part of it. It doesn't matter what SE is doing, they can only try do develope a completely different FF every time so that they are able to please different parts of the fanbase.

Also, I have to say, it's funny. There are a lot of people who complain about Japanese games being stuck in the past and not doing anything new, whatever. And then, if there's a series like FF which does different things with every game people still complain. So it doesn't matter what's happening with JRPGs, you will always see a lot of people who aren't satisfied.

That's true I suppose. Giving fans what they want is like trying to please someone with split-personality disorder

But, the fans didn't want FF11, yet they still did FF14? 

FF is moving the series forward, but they need to admit when they've gone wrong. They needed towns, and NPC's. And side-quests. More side-quests. And an open world. And a better levelling up system. And more magic. If that was done it could well be the best game ever...but isn't that just FF12 anyway?

As far as I know SE made a lot of money with FF11, so that they developed another MMORPG is probably understandable.

IMO, they haven't gone wrong, but well, that's subjective again. My 2 favourite FF games of all time are the most linear in the series, and I was a bit dissapointed with FF12, altough I still finished it. I don't like FFs because of towns, NPCs, sidequests or whatever. I like them because of their story, gameplay, presentation, etc., and these are things that FF 13 did quite well.



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Conegamer said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
Conegamer said:
Chibi.V.29 said:

Sorry to be rude Cone but i have enjoyed reading almost every one of your threads, not because i nesaserily agree but because they where original. This subject is getting incredibly boring. people say how the series is slowly during when because there getting worse. Shore ff13 wasn't revived as well as many before but 12 was still sitting at 92 (as was ff10) on meta so how is it slowly getting worse. its just 1 game. Little big planet 2 is on 91 and nobody is sayign little big plabnet is dying. Shore ff14 was terrible but people have been saying his loong before ff14's release.

I...I didn't know. I apologise

(Is this your rant?)

At any rate, next week will be original, I hope, so not to disappoint you again. Sorry Beuli, but I have another person I need to impress now

Lol yes this was my rant (i take this topic very seriously  probably one of the few i do :P)

I will be expecting total awesomeness from your next thread!!!! :D

You won't be disappointed then.

TBF I never realised the site was so touchy on the topic, I never expected so many hits...


Its a fair enough subject which can be argued either way. but there have been about 1,756n version of the thread xD your was easily the best in terms of your argument but to be honest if you want to base it on reviews only 14 was actually genuanly bad. ff13 was just...well it was VERY different compared to any ff games (no towns etc) which lead to it being very split on peoples opinions of it.

but yes if your next thread is not the best thing ever created since the dawn of man i shall be disappointed!!!! (no pressure lololol)



Yeah i know my spelling sucks but im dysgraphic so live with it :3    

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stevenjazz787 said:

Does it still sell? Yes.

Does it still entertain most people who buy it? Yes.

Has it found itself unpopular among the hardcore gamers who post online? Yes.

Future FF games will sell because thy are solid games with strong advertising is behind it.

How do you know that? If you check stats at Gamercard.net atleast 50% of the FFXIII owners did not finish the game....Gamercard.net is a site for the hardcore gamer;.If the majority does not finish the game it would rather make sense most didn't enjoy the game;.



 

2000cc said:

Well FF6 was my first FF and I liked it a lot, FF7 was ok but I couldn't understand the hype, nowhere near as good as 6 IMO, Then FF8 blew both of them away imo but voicing that opinion was about as popular as saying you had smallpox at the time.

Now have played every FF multiple times and my top 3 are 12,13 and 8 in that order (then 6, and I try to look as objectively as I can at 6 as I know in this series many never get past thinking their first played is 'the best' but I really cant justify any others above it in 4th place)

Being a literature fan, Personally I the series is getting better as the stories are getting more novel/cinema-like, and the constant gameplay changes, though all have their flaws in some places and none are perfect, keep the series fresh and interesting.

But the magic is contually growing for me, if it were not for this series I wouldn't be playing games, this series singlehandedly justifies the hobby for me. There are other good games out there without a doubt and I enjoy them a lot but I probably would have dropped the hobby long ago had it not been for FF's progression keeping me interested, especially with all the negativity that seems to be in gaming media these days (of which Mr Sterling here is one of the most negative), at times it can be as dismal a media to look at as political media.

Awesome Post.



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