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landguy1 on 30 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said: 

My whole point has been that even though both titles are going to sell well, they will not meet the hopes of being breakout hits(breakout meaning a substantial improvement).  Now, of course sony can't call them disappointments.  You guys on this site need to have a better understanding of how LARGE corporations that are publicly traded have to communicate officially.  They can't or won't make comments that might cause traders to dump their stock.  That would cause constant fluctuations in their stock price and that scares away investors.  That's why we sit here and debate the meaning of every press release made by the larger companies.  

The problem here though is that you spoke as matter of fact, when no matter how many words you add to the story, it's still just your take. How do you know they are disappointed? How could GT5 be a disappointment? How is LBP2 a disappointment? You can't speak about shareholders or whatever, because that would, again, be mere speculation.

Define a breakout hit. We have a game that just sold 5.39 mill in 2 months. Most franchises can't/won't do that in the entire existence on two consoles, let a lone just one.

Your response is the same as mine, and the same as just about every other person on this site.  Even this sit itself.  The data here and just about everywhere is not the facts, it is speculation based on assimilated data/conjecture.  Can anyone on this site or any other be right?  No, they can speculate.  

So, no matter how many words or charts that you or any other person who posts most of the stuff on the net or this web site it is just speculation.  And the hallmark of this site is to discuss the speculation of the information.  By the time the real info is available, we will all be talking about some other speculative set of numbers.

Let's try not to think that we are curing cancer or some other important thing.  We are here to speculate on the sales of games or game systems. So, when i get the comment "prove it" or "show me the link", I know that the person actually believes that any of the threads here are facts vs speculation.  This or any website can only do their best to speculate, and that is all you or i can do either.



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landguy1 on 30 January 2011
4k1x3r said:
landguy1 said:

you seem to be one of the few who got my original point.

(1) As far as LBP2 selling as well as part 1.  you can't really think that a sequel  that comes out to an install base that is double the size of the base when pt. 1 came is something that sony was hoping for.

As for GT5, i have said that it is selling well.  But, again, sony can't possibly  be cheering the PS3s continued lack of relevance here in the states. (2) Thus the GT5s lackluster sales here in the states.  GT4 was a huge system seller when it came out.  Somehow, the magic came off for this installment(the reasons have been debated enough).  

(1) Is this a joke? Only few sequels that came out when the userbase was twice bigger, sold twice the amount of its predecessor. Even franchise as big as Halo had this situation. (check the FW of Reach and 3) To put it in perspective.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 266,137 N/A 187,539 453,676 453,676

This is LBP2's FW, without Japan.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 49,839 176,050 335,968 335,968

And this is LBP FW with Japan.  So LBP2 sold 35% more than LBP and this without Japan in.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 N/A 176,050 286,129 286,129

This is without Japan. So LBP2 sold 59% more than LBP with the same countries taken into account. I don't know where's the problem, considering that LBP came out in holiday season, we're in January here. And it'll cross 500k once Japan numbers are in, I don't see it selling less than the first one in Japan.

(2) As CGI said, selling on par with GT4, with 14m less consoles/users, and having good legs even without holiday (staying above GT4), is not something to be sad about. GT5 was never expected to sell awesome in NA no matter what, you're the one who think that. Sony is not stupid, they know EMEAA is their strongest area, and they know better than anyone why GT3 sold better in NA than EMEAA: bundles.


Thanks for the update, i didn't realize the number was missing japan.  I was wrong about the early success of LBP2.  Too bad again that the media won't jump on the bandwagon and help push this title even further...



Wagram on 30 January 2011

PS3 and 360 adjusted down again. They needs to figure it out.



landguy1 on 30 January 2011
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said:

Your response is the same as mine, and the same as just about every other person on this site.  Even this sit itself.  The data here and just about everywhere is not the facts, it is speculation based on assimilated data/conjecture.  Can anyone on this site or any other be right?  No, they can speculate.  

So, no matter how many words or charts that you or any other person who posts most of the stuff on the net or this web site it is just speculation.  And the hallmark of this site is to discuss the speculation of the information.  By the time the real info is available, we will all be talking about some other speculative set of numbers.

Let's try not to think that we are curing cancer or some other important thing.  We are here to speculate on the sales of games or game systems. So, when i get the comment "prove it" or "show me the link", I know that the person actually believes that any of the threads here are facts vs speculation.  This or any website can only do their best to speculate, and that is all you or i can do either.

First paragraph: Well that goes without saying. I haven't spoken as if my word is final however, which can't be said of you. You called LBP2 & GT5 disappointments without any real footing - and then disputed with people that Sony was disappointed, again without any footing. This should be direct advice to yourself.

Second paragraph: I haven't posted a graph, but I have debated with facts in one area. GT5 was touted as shipping 5.5mill copies in two weeks. Call it what you want, but I doubt that's a disappointment. And again, you repeat yourself about speculation, but then spoke as if your word is fact. Why speculate the way you did without knowledge that truly can't be backed up? People asked you to show them where Sony said they were disappointed, and now you've back tracked and called it speculation.

Third Paragraph: Since much of the entire post sounds like a broken record, and my responses may mirror that, I'll keep it short. You were quoted because you spouted a piece of information as fact, when it was hardly that. We now know the bottom line, you truly did only speculate, literally in your own world, that GT5 & LBP2 are disappointments. We already knew it was just your take is mainly what I'm getting at here.

At least now, we can all agree that there's no way of knowing if Sony was disappointed as you claimed them were, but we can present articles and footage of them proudly speaking about GT5's 5.5mill copies that were shipped (and are about to be sold completely).

All of your post is true or close enough.  There may yet be a fact in this thread.

The first step of recovery is admitting it.  I never said even from my first post that i was quoting some source or set of facts that i had knowledge of.  As i said, doing so doesn't really prove anything, as most of the facts people use  are speculation anyway.

I will try to wordsmith my future thoughts to not create this loop of arguments over again!



Halo_Reach on 30 January 2011
4k1x3r said:
landguy1 said:

you seem to be one of the few who got my original point.

(1) As far as LBP2 selling as well as part 1.  you can't really think that a sequel  that comes out to an install base that is double the size of the base when pt. 1 came is something that sony was hoping for.

As for GT5, i have said that it is selling well.  But, again, sony can't possibly  be cheering the PS3s continued lack of relevance here in the states. (2) Thus the GT5s lackluster sales here in the states.  GT4 was a huge system seller when it came out.  Somehow, the magic came off for this installment(the reasons have been debated enough).  

(1) Is this a joke? Only few sequels that came out when the userbase was twice bigger, sold twice the amount of its predecessor. Even franchise as big as Halo had this situation. (check the FW of Reach and 3) To put it in perspective.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 266,137 N/A 187,539 453,676 453,676

This is LBP2's FW, without Japan.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 49,839 176,050 335,968 335,968

And this is LBP FW with Japan.  So LBP2 sold 35% more than LBP and this without Japan in.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 N/A 176,050 286,129 286,129

This is without Japan. So LBP2 sold 59% more than LBP with the same countries taken into account. I don't know where's the problem, considering that LBP came out in holiday season, we're in January here. And it'll cross 500k once Japan numbers are in, I don't see it selling less than the first one in Japan.

(2) As CGI said, selling on par with GT4, with 14m less consoles/users, and having good legs even without holiday (staying above GT4), is not something to be sad about. GT5 was never expected to sell awesome in NA no matter what, you're the one who think that. Sony is not stupid, they know EMEAA is their strongest area, and they know better than anyone why GT3 sold better in NA than EMEAA: bundles.

omg, i cant believe you dont remeber the botched early launch of lbp 1 in the states , thats why the first week is so low, i dont even have the game or even interested in it, but i even know that, it was released before it was spose to as retailers broke the street date



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Darth Tigris on 30 January 2011
Wagram said:

PS3 and 360 adjusted down again. They needs to figure it out.


It's the nature of VGC tracking.  It's not an exact science and is constantly shifting and improving.  But as an approximation, it works.  Don't be so hard on them.



4k1x3r on 30 January 2011
Halo_Reach said:
4k1x3r said:
landguy1 said:

you seem to be one of the few who got my original point.

(1) As far as LBP2 selling as well as part 1.  you can't really think that a sequel  that comes out to an install base that is double the size of the base when pt. 1 came is something that sony was hoping for.

As for GT5, i have said that it is selling well.  But, again, sony can't possibly  be cheering the PS3s continued lack of relevance here in the states. (2) Thus the GT5s lackluster sales here in the states.  GT4 was a huge system seller when it came out.  Somehow, the magic came off for this installment(the reasons have been debated enough).  

(1) Is this a joke? Only few sequels that came out when the userbase was twice bigger, sold twice the amount of its predecessor. Even franchise as big as Halo had this situation. (check the FW of Reach and 3) To put it in perspective.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 266,137 N/A 187,539 453,676 453,676

This is LBP2's FW, without Japan.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 49,839 176,050 335,968 335,968

And this is LBP FW with Japan.  So LBP2 sold 35% more than LBP and this without Japan in.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 N/A 176,050 286,129 286,129

This is without Japan. So LBP2 sold 59% more than LBP with the same countries taken into account. I don't know where's the problem, considering that LBP came out in holiday season, we're in January here. And it'll cross 500k once Japan numbers are in, I don't see it selling less than the first one in Japan.

(2) As CGI said, selling on par with GT4, with 14m less consoles/users, and having good legs even without holiday (staying above GT4), is not something to be sad about. GT5 was never expected to sell awesome in NA no matter what, you're the one who think that. Sony is not stupid, they know EMEAA is their strongest area, and they know better than anyone why GT3 sold better in NA than EMEAA: bundles.

omg, i cant believe you dont remeber the botched early launch of lbp 1 in the states , thats why the first week is so low, i dont even have the game or even interested in it, but i even know that, it was released before it was spose to as retailers broke the street date

OMG I can't believe you're so smart that you thought VGC was stupid to the point of not mixing week1/week2 in a single week because of that screwed launch, OMG you teh roxxor, even I who don't own the game know that.

Next time think a bit before you try to prove someone wrong. And talk to me in another way next time please, even more so when you're most likely wrong (because I'm most likely sure that what I say is true).

Ps. Same went for GT5, VGC had the right to separate the first week in two weeks, because of broken streets date in France in Italy for a week.



Michael-5 on 30 January 2011
4k1x3r said:
landguy1 said:

you seem to be one of the few who got my original point.

(1) As far as LBP2 selling as well as part 1.  you can't really think that a sequel  that comes out to an install base that is double the size of the base when pt. 1 came is something that sony was hoping for.

As for GT5, i have said that it is selling well.  But, again, sony can't possibly  be cheering the PS3s continued lack of relevance here in the states. (2) Thus the GT5s lackluster sales here in the states.  GT4 was a huge system seller when it came out.  Somehow, the magic came off for this installment(the reasons have been debated enough).  

(1) Is this a joke? Only few sequels that came out when the userbase was twice bigger, sold twice the amount of its predecessor. Even franchise as big as Halo had this situation. (check the FW of Reach and 3) To put it in perspective.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 266,137 N/A 187,539 453,676 453,676

This is LBP2's FW, without Japan.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 49,839 176,050 335,968 335,968

And this is LBP FW with Japan.  So LBP2 sold 35% more than LBP and this without Japan in.

Week Americas Japan EMEAA Worldwide Running Total
1 110,079 N/A 176,050 286,129 286,129

This is without Japan. So LBP2 sold 59% more than LBP with the same countries taken into account. I don't know where's the problem, considering that LBP came out in holiday season, we're in January here. And it'll cross 500k once Japan numbers are in, I don't see it selling less than the first one in Japan.

(2) As CGI said, selling on par with GT4, with 14m less consoles/users, and having good legs even without holiday (staying above GT4), is not something to be sad about. GT5 was never expected to sell awesome in NA no matter what, you're the one who think that. Sony is not stupid, they know EMEAA is their strongest area, and they know better than anyone why GT3 sold better in NA than EMEAA: bundles.

What's with the jump in popularity in the Americas region? LBP2 only seems to have sold noticably better because of the Americas. As long as this game sells as well as LBP, it should easily break 4 million, but it could surpass MGS4 and break 5 million as well..



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postofficebuddy on 30 January 2011
Halo_Reach said:
Doobie_wop said:
Halo_Reach said:
CGI-Quality said:
landguy1 said:

What I'm saying is if you don't have proof to say Sony was disappointed with LBP or GT5 it didn't happen. It isn't that hard.

Show me the recording of the sony board cheering the results of these or any titles and then you are right.

All you have to do is look through CES 2011 stuff, or the two weeks after GT5's release. There wasn't a time where they ever mention being disappointed in GT5's sales, but they do praise it's sold/shipped numbers. If you can't provide something concrete to the contrary, he is right, you're blowing smoke. It's that simple.

NO. you listen here, SONY only praised GT5 sales after NPD reported that the game only sold 400,000 in the U.S. for NOVEMBER npd, THEN sony went into FULL damge control mode and TWICE had to anouncethat the game sold 5.5 million....when they knew it flopped badly in the states and japan, so to save face they put out like it was actually selling shitloads, when it is only selling in Europe

I really don't like posting in sales threads, people usually get way to passionate.

I'll just hop in and say that GT5 sold more in America than Halo: Reach sold in EMEAA, so going by your statement, Halo: Reach flopped even harder in nearly all territories and it's only selling well in America. By all accounts according to you, just like GT5, Halo: Reach is a flop in all territories expect for one. 

Halo reach sold less than 1.5 million in EMEAA? seriously?


More than likely yes. It has yet to crack 1 million in the UK and Gfk has it at less than 65k in Spain and less than 200k in Germany. And it didn't make the top 20 for the year in France. Odds are we're probably overtracking it by close to 400k-500k in EMEAA.



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slowmo on 30 January 2011

Adjustments come and go over time, it's a perfect reason for a lot of you guys to not take these threads quite so seriously. 

Good sales all round really, even the PSP is selling decent for what people have insisted is a a dead platform.