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mrstickball said:
elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.


thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 



 

 

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by the way syria took alot of the losses and egypt killed most of the israeli forces



 

 

also we got back our land sinai which was egyptain land that by itself is a victory we took back our land



 

 

elticker said:

also we got back our land sinai which was egyptain land that by itself is a victory we took back our land

Egypt got back SInai through a peace agreement. Anwar Saadat bravely flew to Israel and broke psychological barriers. For that he was later assassinated by his own people. Regarding the free comment, he didn't address it to you nor was it about Egypt, it was about Iran not being free.



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bmmb1 said:
elticker said:

also we got back our land sinai which was egyptain land that by itself is a victory we took back our land

Egypt got back SInai through a peace agreement. Regarding the free comment, he didn't address it to you nor was it about Egypt, it was about Iran not being free.

yes we got it back due to a peace agreement but that shows how smart anwaar saadat was he stopped the war at the right moment, peace treaty or not we got it back and that is what is important.



 

 

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elticker said:
bmmb1 said:
elticker said:

also we got back our land sinai which was egyptain land that by itself is a victory we took back our land

Egypt got back SInai through a peace agreement. Regarding the free comment, he didn't address it to you nor was it about Egypt, it was about Iran not being free.

yes we got it back due to a peace agreement but that shows how smart anwaar saadat was he stopped the war at the right moment, peace treaty or not we got it back and that is what is important.

well I agree with that.



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bmmb1 said:

"I do hate oppression and elitism in all forms whether Iran or the US" - no you obviously don't hate Iran, reading what you wrote further on you are either totally brainwashed, very innocent, or one way or the other in their allegiance. And please don't put words in my mouth, I didn't equate the protesters in Egypt with psychopaths, I equate the Iranian regime with psychopaths. You must be right, Iran is the one under a massive threat and is keeping to itself - I guess organizations like hezbollah are just grassroots movement with no connection to Iran... We'll have to agree to utterly, completely disagree.

No offense to you, but the way you worded things in the beginning sounded like you're saying independent countries who don't heed to the US are psychopaths that need to be controlled. It really all depends on who's in charge.

Now personally, I don't support the Iranian regime at all, due to the innocent deaths resulting because of the Sunni-Shi'ite feud, as well as the general heated tension between the two. I'd go into more detail, but frankly this isn't a subject I'd want to discuss on the internet, as not only is it too subjective, but it's also beyond the point of this thread. 

Also, Jihad doesn't necessarily translate to holy wars and stuff like that. That's just the result of Islamic extremists, and the media. In fact, it is stated in the Qur'an that there is no compulsion in religion, and that we should only fight those who attack our religion as a result of intolerance. To quote it: (Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors)(Al-Baqarah 2:190).



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elticker said:
mrstickball said:
elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.


thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 

Did you even read the Wikipedia article?

You can say you won the psycological aspects by simply not being trounced (again), but from a tactical and military standpoint, Egypt still lost, albiet not as severely as the Six-Day war.

(I know this is off-topic, but I love military history, especially the Yom Kippur war, which is one of the most fascinating conflicts in the post-Korean era)

 

Lets go over the war:

October 6th-7th - Egypt pre-emptively strikes at the Bar-Lev line and defeats Israeli positions across the suez with ingenious water cannons. Having crossed the canal and routing the ~450 soldiers defending the Bar-Lev, Egypt settles in, ensuring their forces are well-covered by the newest SAM systems available, delivered by the Soviets prior to the war (you say you were technologically undermanned, I say that is BS because of what the Soviets gave you. Tactically outmatched was more like it):

October 8th-12 - Stalemate. Israel cannot penetrate Egypts wall of SAM countermeasures, and faces major air losses due to the newest Soviet SAMs (2K12 Cub which was put in service just 3 years prior to the war, and is still in service today - a testament to how good it was).

October 13th-14th - Egypt attacks, and Israel counterattacks. Egypt starts facing losses, as Israel defeats their attack, and starts hitting the Egyptian 3rd army hard. By the end of the war, they are entirely encircled, and are nearly wiped out, if not for the US intervening and stopping the Israelis from destroying them from the face of the earth.

October 18th-23rd - Israel successfully begins its push to and through the Suez:

I must ask this, then: How can Egypt of won in any way other than your supposed pscyological "We didn't lose badly, so we really won!' argument when Israel had pushed past the Suez, the 3rd army was encircled, and had the momentum?

I really suggest everyone arguing about the war look into reading about it. Its a fastinating war, which is why I can't see why you haven't bothered reading up on the actual military and tactical losses incurred by the Egyptians. I'm not trying to say Israel totally decimated Egypt, but if it were not for the cease fire, there may not be the Egypt and Syria we know today (and a likely less populated Israel, too).



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mrstickball said:
elticker said:
mrstickball said:
elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.


thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 

Did you even read the Wikipedia article?

You can say you won the psycological aspects by simply not being trounced (again), but from a tactical and military standpoint, Egypt still lost, albiet not as severely as the Six-Day war.

(I know this is off-topic, but I love military history, especially the Yom Kippur war, which is one of the most fascinating conflicts in the post-Korean era)

 

Lets go over the war:

October 6th-7th - Egypt pre-emptively strikes at the Bar-Lev line and defeats Israeli positions across the suez with ingenious water cannons. Having crossed the canal and routing the ~450 soldiers defending the Bar-Lev, Egypt settles in, ensuring their forces are well-covered by the newest SAM systems available, delivered by the Soviets prior to the war (you say you were technologically undermanned, I say that is BS because of what the Soviets gave you. Tactically outmatched was more like it):

October 8th-12 - Stalemate. Israel cannot penetrate Egypts wall of SAM countermeasures, and faces major air losses due to the newest Soviet SAMs (2K12 Cub which was put in service just 3 years prior to the war, and is still in service today - a testament to how good it was).

October 13th-14th - Egypt attacks, and Israel counterattacks. Egypt starts facing losses, as Israel defeats their attack, and starts hitting the Egyptian 3rd army hard. By the end of the war, they are entirely encircled, and are nearly wiped out, if not for the US intervening and stopping the Israelis from destroying them from the face of the earth.

October 18th-23rd - Israel successfully begins its push to and through the Suez:

I must ask this, then: How can Egypt of won in any way other than your supposed pscyological "We didn't lose badly, so we really won!' argument when Israel had pushed past the Suez, the 3rd army was encircled, and had the momentum?

I really suggest everyone arguing about the war look into reading about it. Its a fastinating war, which is why I can't see why you haven't bothered reading up on the actual military and tactical losses incurred by the Egyptians. I'm not trying to say Israel totally decimated Egypt, but if it were not for the cease fire, there may not be the Egypt and Syria we know today (and a likely less populated Israel, too).

the soviets refused to give us weapons, also israel got through cause of us equipment which has been sent over to israel it flew at a hieght in which the egyptain defenses couldn't attack it and used for surviellence which helped israel break through. psycologicaly we gained back the land we lost thats another way you can look at it and we standing against a us backed israel is something almost no one expected. also you say we lost so why did israel have protests about how bad israel had fought during the war so that means that they too think they lost right, they opened an investigation at how bad the war was run and a comitee was created.



 

 

by the way even if the war continued we would have won just like the soviet unoin on germany by sheer amount of number and creating new tactics.