Can Egyptians do it?

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elticker said:

mrstickball said:

elticker said:

btw some police forces which are remaining are using live ammunition. Also i forgut high live the egyptain army. Oh yeah and the people saying w=if we engage with israel we would get fucked in 6 october

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

we did a victory which will go in the book of every egyptain as we were technologically undermanned and israel was backed by weaponary from the usa. Also we broke the barlief defense which was the strongest defence in the o=world at that time with WATER!!

Uh, you didn't read that Wikipedia page at all, did you?

Israeli tactical victory[1] and a UN cease-fire after UNSCR 338, 339 and 340, leading to the Geneva Conference and the Sinai Interim Agreement.

Egyptian Losses:

8,000[14]–18,500[15] dead
18,000[14]-35,000[16] wounded
8,783 captured

 

Israeli Losses:

2,521[17]–2,800 dead[14]
7,250[18]-8,800[14] wounded
293 captured

 

 

 

As for the guy and the Iranian comments: When you have a countries that brutalizes its people when they want an alternative party, and fixes the elections, I don't think that you live in a free, independant country. Read the news. The elections were falsified. If you want to consider Iran fre after what happened during and after that election, then there is no way to have a rational conversation with you.

thats like saying the germans tactically won russia by killing 20 million for 3 million. This is not important the most important is the psychological aspect which we won. also what did you expect we fought against israel backed with america so that showed that we stand a chance. Also i never said egypt is a free country i said it was a dictatorship which is going through a revolution to democracy. the 6 october war redemed the ashamed arab from the 6 day war which is huge since we were humilaited for it. 

Did you even read the Wikipedia article?

You can say you won the psycological aspects by simply not being trounced (again), but from a tactical and military standpoint, Egypt still lost, albiet not as severely as the Six-Day war.

(I know this is off-topic, but I love military history, especially the Yom Kippur war, which is one of the most fascinating conflicts in the post-Korean era)

 

Lets go over the war:

October 6th-7th - Egypt pre-emptively strikes at the Bar-Lev line and defeats Israeli positions across the suez with ingenious water cannons. Having crossed the canal and routing the ~450 soldiers defending the Bar-Lev, Egypt settles in, ensuring their forces are well-covered by the newest SAM systems available, delivered by the Soviets prior to the war (you say you were technologically undermanned, I say that is BS because of what the Soviets gave you. Tactically outmatched was more like it):

October 8th-12 - Stalemate. Israel cannot penetrate Egypts wall of SAM countermeasures, and faces major air losses due to the newest Soviet SAMs (2K12 Cub which was put in service just 3 years prior to the war, and is still in service today - a testament to how good it was).

October 13th-14th - Egypt attacks, and Israel counterattacks. Egypt starts facing losses, as Israel defeats their attack, and starts hitting the Egyptian 3rd army hard. By the end of the war, they are entirely encircled, and are nearly wiped out, if not for the US intervening and stopping the Israelis from destroying them from the face of the earth.

October 18th-23rd - Israel successfully begins its push to and through the Suez:

I must ask this, then: How can Egypt of won in any way other than your supposed pscyological "We didn't lose badly, so we really won!' argument when Israel had pushed past the Suez, the 3rd army was encircled, and had the momentum?

I really suggest everyone arguing about the war look into reading about it. Its a fastinating war, which is why I can't see why you haven't bothered reading up on the actual military and tactical losses incurred by the Egyptians. I'm not trying to say Israel totally decimated Egypt, but if it were not for the cease fire, there may not be the Egypt and Syria we know today (and a likely less populated Israel, too).