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makingmusic476 on 29 January 2011
Kasz216 said:

Yemen yes.  Jordan i hadn't heard.

Oh man, it's all over Al Jazeera.



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ssj12 on 29 January 2011
mrstickball said:

Fully mixed feelings.

On one end, Egypt was a pretty benevolent dictatorship. Honsi Mubarak was certainly imperfect, but given his peers in the region, he looked like a saint: Made peace with Israel, never attacked anyone, never let the terrorists have their way in the region, and is generally (in my view) 'good'.

On the other end...It was still an authoritarian government, which likely was not the will of the people.

I worry what will become of this. I pray to God that if there is a revolution, they get a secular, Turkey-like Democracy that will strengthen ties with the west, and let people live in peace, and be very moderate to liberal for a Muslim-dominated state.

However, it seems that revolutions in the middle east are rarely a good thing :-

Worst yet, they are second or third in terms of US military support and aid. I would hate to see their M1 tanks turn on Israel, Turkey or other sane powers in the region.

1. Why is that a good thing?

2. Why is that a bad thing?



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Kasz216 on 29 January 2011
ssj12 said:
mrstickball said:

Fully mixed feelings.

On one end, Egypt was a pretty benevolent dictatorship. Honsi Mubarak was certainly imperfect, but given his peers in the region, he looked like a saint: Made peace with Israel, never attacked anyone, never let the terrorists have their way in the region, and is generally (in my view) 'good'.

On the other end...It was still an authoritarian government, which likely was not the will of the people.

I worry what will become of this. I pray to God that if there is a revolution, they get a secular, Turkey-like Democracy that will strengthen ties with the west, and let people live in peace, and be very moderate to liberal for a Muslim-dominated state.

However, it seems that revolutions in the middle east are rarely a good thing :-

Worst yet, they are second or third in terms of US military support and aid. I would hate to see their M1 tanks turn on Israel, Turkey or other sane powers in the region.

1. Why is that a good thing?

2. Why is that a bad thing?


Well for one, because Egypt would throughly get it's ass kicked.



bmmb1 on 29 January 2011

Well if this spreads to Syria and Iran I will believe there is not something shadowy behind this. Right now I find it very "interesting" that after Tunisia, it is hitting the 2 more moderate regimes in the area, Egypt and Jordan.



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Kasz216 on 29 January 2011
bmmb1 said:

Well if this spreads to Syria and Iran I will believe there is not something shadowy behind this. Right now I find it very "interesting" that after Tunisia, it is hitting the 2 more moderate regimes in the area, Egypt and Jordan.


It's eaiser to have revolutions in moderate regimes.  They are less likely to fire back, and more likely to say "you know ruling is a pain anwyay, how about I take all your money and move to switzerland."



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Kasz216 on 29 January 2011

Ironnicaly too, this probably happened a US presidency too late.  Obama is tip toeing around this because he promised to show restraint and a more "realistic" benefits position verus Bush's ideological "freedom for everyone" stance.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48377.html



Rath on 29 January 2011
ssj12 said:
mrstickball said:

Fully mixed feelings.

On one end, Egypt was a pretty benevolent dictatorship. Honsi Mubarak was certainly imperfect, but given his peers in the region, he looked like a saint: Made peace with Israel, never attacked anyone, never let the terrorists have their way in the region, and is generally (in my view) 'good'.

On the other end...It was still an authoritarian government, which likely was not the will of the people.

I worry what will become of this. I pray to God that if there is a revolution, they get a secular, Turkey-like Democracy that will strengthen ties with the west, and let people live in peace, and be very moderate to liberal for a Muslim-dominated state.

However, it seems that revolutions in the middle east are rarely a good thing :-

Worst yet, they are second or third in terms of US military support and aid. I would hate to see their M1 tanks turn on Israel, Turkey or other sane powers in the region.

1. Why is that a good thing?

Peace with Israel is the only long term hope for a stable Middle-East. Both the Arabs and Israel are going to be around for quite a long time.

2. Why is that a bad thing?

I'd hope that would be obvious. Also the Egyptians wouldn't stand a chance.





Lostplanet22 on 29 January 2011

Mubarak:  To prove I am not an dicator I will resign and create a new Government by myself tomorow goodnigh Cairo  <_<  That was the message I got when I went to bed last night;.



 

Joelcool7 on 29 January 2011

Honestly Egypt would probably become a Islamic dictatorship. Minority groups are already treated like shit in Egypt if an Islamic extremist group seized power then their would be a slaughter, best case scenerio wide spread persecution worse then what is already happening.

Countries in need of a revolution are Iran, Eritrea , China , Burma... those kinds of countries need a good uprising. Egypt at the moment while not democratic is still a more moderate country then those listed. Also extremists are way to popular in Egypt!

I would also say an uprising in Gaza would be nice, see Hamas kicked out of power and Fatah take over or a more moderate government.

Also someone mentioned Lebanon as a great example. I wouldn't consider a country held hostage by terrorists a good alternative to any Government. Hezbullah kills anyone who decents they're accused of several assasinations of Lebanese dignitaries. Right now Hezbullah is taking over Lebanon. No Lebanon is not a great example!



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Slimebeast on 29 January 2011

This is so freaking exciting. The progress of this revolution is already much further than I dared to hope for.