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LordTheNightKnight on 20 January 2011
Viper1 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Viper1 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

^^^ Again, the 3D will not actually add to the game. The touchscreen did. And any game that can't be played with the 3D off is going to have problems with people who prefer the 3D off on their games.

^^ You're assuming that tech is what makes competion, not games?

^ You're assuming that newer games people want won't be enough?

You all are falling for the gimmick. Is't the games that will sell this system. The 3D will not add to them. You can't play Elite Beat Agents without the touch screen, so that actually added to the game. That will not be the case with a gimmick that only adds to the visuals, not the content.

You do know that several developers have already publically stated they plan to use 3D as a gamplay element, don't you?


As in the games will not work without the 3D on? If so, I can honestly see some people being turned off, as even if the 3D doesn't give everyone headaches, there can be a major PR problem if the games force this.

Plus the DSi cut off GBA pack support, so don't assume that cutting off some games makes this not an option (not that it's certain to happen, just that your reason doesn't rule it out).

The DSi removal of the GBA slot is cutting off backwards compatibility.  Not current generation content.(1)

And yes, some games are already in development that require the use of 3D.   Maybe that might upset some people as they can't utilize the 3D features due to whatever medical reason (no different that parapalegics being unable to play the Wii) but that's far better than releasing a model that shuts out certain games entirely.(2)  And with no visible packaging method to represent which games require 3D and which don't...again, will never happen.(3)


1. Guitar Hero, the rumble pack, a camera (although the system solved that), several extra controllers. So your claim it didn't cut off current gen content is wrong.

2. Since I just showed current DS games got cutoff from the DSi, that means it's not out of the question to cutoff some 3DS games if it's in the interest of increasing customers.

3. There wasn't any visible packaging from those DS games.



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Untamoi on 20 January 2011

Well, if they do that, they couldn't use name 3DS for that device anymore. Just like you said, it is in the name, so they will never do handheld with name 3DS without 3D. Sure, perhaps they could use name 2DS or something like that. But I don't think there will ever be 3DS model without 3D.



LordTheNightKnight on 20 January 2011
Killiana1a said:

Kind of defeats the purpose of going from the DS to the 3DS.


Um, the increased processing power, analog stick, widescreen, and new games can still be enough, especially the latter.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight on 20 January 2011
Untamoi said:

Well, if they do that, they couldn't use name 3DS for that device anymore. Just like you said, it is in the name, so they will never do handheld with name 3DS without 3D. Sure, perhaps they could use name 2DS or something like that. But I don't think there will ever be 3DS model without 3D.


They could change the name, especially to make it clear it would be a model without it.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Viper1 on 20 January 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
Viper1 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Viper1 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

^^^ Again, the 3D will not actually add to the game. The touchscreen did. And any game that can't be played with the 3D off is going to have problems with people who prefer the 3D off on their games.

^^ You're assuming that tech is what makes competion, not games?

^ You're assuming that newer games people want won't be enough?

You all are falling for the gimmick. Is't the games that will sell this system. The 3D will not add to them. You can't play Elite Beat Agents without the touch screen, so that actually added to the game. That will not be the case with a gimmick that only adds to the visuals, not the content.

You do know that several developers have already publically stated they plan to use 3D as a gamplay element, don't you?


As in the games will not work without the 3D on? If so, I can honestly see some people being turned off, as even if the 3D doesn't give everyone headaches, there can be a major PR problem if the games force this.

Plus the DSi cut off GBA pack support, so don't assume that cutting off some games makes this not an option (not that it's certain to happen, just that your reason doesn't rule it out).

The DSi removal of the GBA slot is cutting off backwards compatibility.  Not current generation content.(1)

And yes, some games are already in development that require the use of 3D.   Maybe that might upset some people as they can't utilize the 3D features due to whatever medical reason (no different that parapalegics being unable to play the Wii) but that's far better than releasing a model that shuts out certain games entirely.(2)  And with no visible packaging method to represent which games require 3D and which don't...again, will never happen.(3)


1. Guitar Hero, the rumble pack, a camera (although the system solved that), several extra controllers. So your claim it didn't cut off current gen content is wrong.

2. Since I just showed current DS games got cutoff from the DSi, that means it's not out of the question to cutoff some 3DS games if it's in the interest of increasing customers.

3. There wasn't any visible packaging from those DS games.

Packaging was noted.  There was no GBA slot so games that had the GBA slot on the DS game box were excluded on the DSi.  There is no packaging for 3DS titles that require 3D.

And still you are removing a fundamental feature of the console.  The only system in the history of video to release a model that removed a fundamentally featured bit of functionality or massive collection of current gen content is the PSP Go.  And I'm quite sure we all know how that goes.

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--OkeyDokey-- on 20 January 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
Killiana1a said:

Kind of defeats the purpose of going from the DS to the 3DS.


Um, the increased processing power, analog stick, widescreen, and new games can still be enough, especially the latter.

Are you forgetting why the Wii are DS were so successful in the first place? It's because they offered NEW experiences. Nintendo wants to expand their audience further. A more poweful DS with a stick isn't going to do that.



LordTheNightKnight on 20 January 2011
Viper1 said:

Packaging was noted.  There was no GBA slot so games that had the GBA slot on the DS game box were excluded on the DSi.  There is no packaging for 3DS titles that require 3D.

And still you are removing a fundamental feature of the console.  The only system in the history of video to release a model that removed a fundamentally featured bit of functionality or massive collection of current gen content is the PSP Go.  And I'm quite sure we all know how that goes.

If this is a Rol thread, Rol does not approve.


Did you pay attention to what I wrote? I distinctly stated this hypothetical system would cost LESS than the full model, not more.

As for fundamental, that would only apply if 3D catches on, and isn't a fad, in which case my suggestion will be moot anyway.

This is about the possibility of the bubble bursting. It might turn out that people would actively see 3D movies less because they are sick of it. Then it doesn't matter if some 3DS games require it on. Nintendo will have to face that it would hurt the system more than help it.

The problem I have with this is the denial of even the possibility of it being dropped. Again, just the possibility.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight on 20 January 2011
--OkeyDokey-- said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Killiana1a said:

Kind of defeats the purpose of going from the DS to the 3DS.


Um, the increased processing power, analog stick, widescreen, and new games can still be enough, especially the latter.

Are you forgetting why the Wii are DS were so successful in the first place? It's because they offered NEW experiences. Nintendo wants to expand their audience further. A more poweful DS with a stick isn't going to do that.


The games were also part of that. And just because some 3DS games will require that does not mean they will be enhanced.

I wrote it's possible to add depth perception, but it's very unlikely, due to the fact that 3D does not work the way real life space through human vision works. It's instead a bunch of layers that even then don't always tell you the precise depth difference. Hence the games are not truly enhanced.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

NightDragon83 on 20 January 2011

They already have cheaper models of the system minus the 3D out right now.

They're called the DS/DSLite/DSiLite/DSiXL

And I think that $250 is just the right price for a handheld system that is as powerful as the Wii, and is also capable of displaying 3D games and movies without the need for glasses or any additional hardware, especially considering that in order to watch those same 3D movies in your living room right now, you need an expensive 3D HDTV set, a 3D capable Blu-Ray player, and several pairs of those ridiculous glasses to watch it!

Remember... the Wii could barely stay on store shelves for almost 3 years straight at the $250 price point.  I predict that the fanboys and early tech adopters will gobble up the system at launch, and by the time the summer/fall rolls around, the 3DS will be the big holiday item for the mass market (read: casual) audience.



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Viper1 on 20 January 2011
LordTheNightKnight said:
Viper1 said:

Packaging was noted.  There was no GBA slot so games that had the GBA slot on the DS game box were excluded on the DSi.  There is no packaging for 3DS titles that require 3D.

And still you are removing a fundamental feature of the console.  The only system in the history of video to release a model that removed a fundamentally featured bit of functionality or massive collection of current gen content is the PSP Go.  And I'm quite sure we all know how that goes.

If this is a Rol thread, Rol does not approve.


Did you pay attention to what I wrote? I distinctly stated this hypothetical system would cost LESS than the full model, not more.

As for fundamental, that would only apply if 3D catches on, and isn't a fad, in which case my suggestion will be moot anyway.

This is about the possibility of the bubble bursting. It might turn out that people would actively see 3D movies less because they are sick of it. Then it doesn't matter if some 3DS games require it on. Nintendo will have to face that it would hurt the system more than help it.

The problem I have with this is the denial of even the possibility of it being dropped. Again, just the possibility.

But the 3D of the 3DS is not dependant on the market acceptence of 3D content in other market products.   It's like saying that polygons had to catch on elsewhere or the 5th generation could have been in danger.

3D is a fundamental part fo the 3DS.  Either it has it or it doesn't.  And since the inception of the product or up this point in time, it has it.  They will not remove a fundamental function of the unit in a separate model regardless of the market factors of external 3D content.



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