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I read this like a Week ago.

My general thought was...

"They'll do this only if they want to completely destroy their buisness."



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Wagram said:

Can someone explain this to me in dummy terms?

CD Keys.



NiKKoM said:
fordy said:

Does anybody else think that this will encourage stores that specialise in used games (EB, Gamestop etc) to convince potential console buyers to buy anything other than the PS3, since it would mean more potential profits down the track with used titles.


yeah they will probably give less shelve space for the PS3 and push the 360 version for multiplat games.. I can see that happening..

If they even keep sny shelf space.

PS3 would probably end up like PC games at Gamestop.

Order only.

Considering the importance of Gamestop, and the importance of the used market in Japan...  that'd be career suicide.

It might actually make the 360 viable in japan.



Darc Requiem said:
slowmo said:
Xen said:
poroporo said:
dsister said:
DonFerrari said:

And about Linux, so Hackers are just cry baby that can't stand Linux not present in a console? Don't saw any Linux on X360 and Wii so you fail... people do things for their own benefit, money or prestigue... don't try to defend them, there are people who really want homebrew (altough i don't see the utility) but most want glory and piracy...

And if having Linux were enough to prevent hacking there wouldn't ever be a computer hacked... so much failed attempts to defend the hackers... stop the excuses.


Wow... you fail O.o

1. The 360 isn't hacked perse. The disc drive is tricked into thinking that the disc is legitimate.

2. The 360 was hacked into running linux at one point. It's a Jtag'd console. MS was actually smart enough to stop the hacks in a way that wouldn't get on it's legit customer's nerves...

3. There is Linux on Wii.

4. Guess what? :o The team that found both the PSP and PS3 master key only did it because of the lack of Linux. If Sony kept Linux the PS3 would of either taken a lot longer to hack or wouldn't of been hacked like this to begin with... Yes, you would have had the people playing backups and Geohot's original useless hack but you wouldn't have had all these people with the PS3 master code...

 

http://gamercrave.com/ps3-hacker-geohot-on-lost-linux-support-im-sorry/2349/

If Geohot had kept his mouth shut, people with fat PS3s would still have linux. In my book, he's an asshole. Not only that, but he had the nerve to release the master key, essentially dooming the PS3 to an era of easy piracy.

 

Pretty much. I'd beat the fucker up if I saw him, nothing good came out of his hacking.

Once again people will not apportion any blame on Sony, you guys astound me.


You shouldn't be. Certain people can't see the forest for the trees here. They will happily bend over and get reamed to defend a company that is screwing them. You can blame hackers all you like but the bottom line is that Sony removed a feature from people's consoles after the fact. Which is inexcusable. The PS3 isn't the first console to get hacked, but Sony is the first console maker to react in such a despicable way.

See... this is why in marketing everyone wants to be a "Lifestyle" brand.

Videogame companies are very much "lifestyle" brands.  It started out when kids were either labeled "Nintendo kids" "Sega Kids" or "Weird/poor kids."

It's like all those people who identify with Nascar and buy Nascar beef jerky and the like.

When you identify with a Lifestyle brand you basically give it a part of your life and personality... which gives you as a company HUGE leeway.



No way will Sony implement a system where a disk can only be played in a maximum of 5 machines ever for the "lifetime" of the disk.

That would mean video game rental for PS3 games would die. Whereas it would keep on trucking along for 360 and Wii. That would be a HUGE mistake in terms of longer term console sales, especially if carried forward to the next gen of console. Like it or not game rental is a fixture of the console gaming industry, and unless all console makers kill off game rental at the same time then one console maker isn't going to go down that route by themselves.



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Do it. And I'll voluntarly avoid any Sony product from now on.



Meh, I purchase all my games new anyways, unless it's a title that is years old and i'm looking for something else to play - or if I decide to re-buy a game I've previously owned but sold.



 Proud owner of the PSone original, PSone slim, PS2 slim, PS3 slim, PSP-3000.

37 PS3 games and counting.

binary solo said:

No way will Sony implement a system where a disk can only be played in a maximum of 5 machines ever for the "lifetime" of the disk.

That would mean video game rental for PS3 games would die. Whereas it would keep on trucking along for 360 and Wii. That would be a HUGE mistake in terms of longer term console sales, especially if carried forward to the next gen of console. Like it or not game rental is a fixture of the console gaming industry, and unless all console makers kill off game rental at the same time then one console maker isn't going to go down that route by themselves.


They could always just offer seperate "Rental" discs.  Rental companies already pay more for a rental copy anyawy.

Though... I suppose then those would just get pirated eh?



stopstopp said:
dsister said:
poroporo said:

Except that hackers can theoretically unban themselves. They _do_ have complete control over the system, remember.

Therefore, without some kind of key-based system, you can guess what's going to happen.


They have complete control over PSN? Somehow I doubt that

Doobie_wop said:

blah blah blah

I do not see how the Wii, 360, or DS have been "destroyed"

stopstopp said:

PIRACY DEFENSE SQUAD ACTIVATE!

but but piracy doesn't hurt games sales, look at black ops thats everything. Black ops=every game


but but but... I'm not defending piracy. Thankfully Sony fans are so concerned about piracy that if Sony raped their moms and said it was to prevent piracy then I'm sure most of them wouldn't mind... Which is sad really, since PS3 used to be somewhat of a good console. 2 revisions and 2 moves against piracy later and it's basically an entirely new console. 

I'm just trying to get Euphoria to say piracy hurts game sales more than the "near acceptable business"
 he makes it seem like

The problem with that is that it defies all credible economic studies done on the matter.

In general studies show that piracy almost always happens when consumers think a price is unreasobnable because people WANT to consume and don't want to pirate.

in third world countries there is increase piracy because the prices are seen as too high and in 1st world countries, those who pirate actually on average buy more games those who don't pirate.

 

The effects of piracy that are less clear that are actually worth argueing about rather then the largely disproven and discredit  arguement most people try to push are...

.1)  Piracy hurts used games sales... since it doesn't allow for prices to go down organically since it's either "$60 or $55 bucks of free."  This is the real and only area piracy seriously hurts.  You don't hear this though because Nobody cares about gamestop since a lot of people hate used game sales, and Gamestop realizes that the actions to combat piracy are in reality actions done to try and curb the used game sales. 

Heck, note until Funcoland and Gamestop showed up on the scene nobody gave a shit about piracy.   Dreamcast had zero copy protection... most people didn't even know until the NES came out that piracy was wrong!  Even then Nintendo didn't really do anything to stop them, they were just mad they weren't getting money from cartridges/liscensing for "homebrew" and "unliscnesed" games.   Even then it wasn't really about piracy.

2) Does Piracy existing on a market inherently degrade the value of games in the eyes of average the consumer?  Thereby artificially lowering the market and in a way creating it's own piracy sales.

Which is an interesting arguement... but an extremely hard variably to extract.



DonFerrari said:
MightyGeorge said:

Ahahahaha! This will be unbelievably funny if it ends up true.

You know, Sony reminds me of the Children in Midwich Cuckoos. Every slight against them is returned tenfold. First, we had the OtherOS exploit. What Sony did? They obliterated the feature out of existence in a firmware and removed it from the Slim version. Then, we had the Jailbreak where Sony released a firmware to phase it out of existence and in the proccess borked up  "unauthorized" usb devices. And now that Hotz has released the PS3 and PSP keys online, Sony takes it out where? On their "precious" and poor customers.

No used sales? A good thing! Obviously, the copy I have of the game is not mine for the taking. I cannot rent it, borrow it, sell it or some other similar crap! No, I must ask permission from the Overlord Sony. Simply, I have no First-sale doctrine. I have this wonderful EULA that is completely legal. Online activation on a home console? It's finally a dream come true!

On a serious note, I must say that I find Sony to be the laughing stock of this generation. From the Giant Enemy Crab to the DRM, Sony keeps on acting like an angsty teenager.


You couldn't rent even without DRM or anything like that... copright law prevent you from renting without the license to do so...

Well, perhaps indeed, I couldn't publicly rent it.



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