maybe sometime this year.

Would like to see some Western game announcements first though.

Well I have it already and I love it. Every game is tons of fun.

well toasty its just not for me. besides another friend has lost his 360 du to RROD, and he only had it for a month and it was the slim modle. the end of 2010 sells for both products are great and 360 met my original summer sells predictions of 50m so im not mad at all.

actualy all my summer predictions came true except the Wii's which was changed in Oct. or Nov. and well i haven't looked.

hmm speaking of which you explain me how you expect PS3 to sell 2 to 1 360 consistently during a year WW ????

or even how xb has been 10 million average (with all issues it had) would drope like that in a year ( the one of it's new gimick hyped release on top of it) and PS doing 16-13 million.... not happenning together

I've never been wrong abt the gap between PS3 and XB in 4  years.... this is not happening....  the gap will be there for years to come..... the only time it might change it's after the peak of the life cycle of each console which ever dropes faster (due to new gen or smthing)... for that sony might have the long legs....

otherwise yeah I bought kinect on day one... haveonly kinect adventure... this is great for get togethers but not really the best game..... tracking is different depending on the software used.... so I'm happy about that... it means that improvement is to come from better developpment... so far it's too much of a Wiilike thing on the game side... great with friend.... great for casual gaming if you like that... and the rest of the time it's not used(for games.... I don't think I have played alone yet.... ( have only one game though)

but DAMN I LOVE IT FOR WHAT I BOUGHT IT... navigation in menues from my couche and the best of all voice command in ESPN3

hell I think I'd have bought the kinect alone just for the ECPN3 navigation lol.... it is just too good to trash my friends and roomie with a nice instant replay I just love it.... worth every penny when you are an hardcore soccer fan lol....

and well like I said to me the non gaming side is really what I like voice chat etc.... hopefully they will develope that and application for it and have more of the menu using it (netflix would be nice for instance but I guess it's also up to netflix to do something about it).... maybe support for PC and windows 7 would be nice in the future... because I can do already everything an iPad can do with my laptop and make it a noPad would be awesome  lol :P

Your friends an idiot. The new 360 CAN'T RROD. If it goes red that means it's going into standby due to overheat, safety procedure. How can an old fault still be present on a new model? I am no expert but I was under impression they've changed the components around abit, if anything it would be a new fault, at least be original.

not going to bother untill its in the £50 range

Nothing out for it so far, it's motion games are just too kiddy compared to the Wii library of motion games :P

When it costs $50 at most and has at least 3 games that interest me.

I doubt it will ever reach 50 price tag especially if it comes with a game....

I want to say never. I just do not see myself playing any of the games for more than an hour. Even if it had a really good game i would play, i truly do not think i would play it for more than an hour or so. Why pay 150$ for something i would not really use? I won't.