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FaRmLaNd said:

Well not really. Because if I sell my 1 game then thats only one game being sold to 1 person. If I put up a torrent and its essentially duplicated millions of times thats multiplying that copy many times. The end result of the action is different.

There are further differences. We know that that one game was initially purchased. Thats not neccesarily so with pirated games, some do get leaked. However this is a minor quibble.

The main difference I would say is that selling used games subsidises a huge number of retailer jobs whereas putting a torrent on a website will mostly not help employment. Essentially these sales do help the brick and mortar stores that do actually sell the new products aswell. So that money is injected back into the economy.

The same goes for rental stores, who employ lots of people and also buy the games from the publisher initially.

So whilst both actions aren't going to be seen as good by the developer theres no contest when it comes to the comparison between the two. Buying used and renting games are far better for the economy then pirating and more ethical.

Someone give this guy a medal, or an avatar xD. Beautiful post.



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FaRmLaNd said:

Well not really. Because if I sell my 1 game then thats only one game being sold to 1 person. If I put up a torrent and its essentially duplicated millions of times thats multiplying that copy many times. The end result of the action is different.

There are further differences. We know that that one game was initially purchased. Thats not neccesarily so with pirated games, some do get leaked. However this is a minor quibble.

The main difference I would say is that selling used games subsidises a huge number of retailer jobs whereas putting a torrent on a website will mostly not help employment. Essentially these sales do help the brick and mortar stores that do actually sell the new products aswell. So that money is injected back into the economy.

The same goes for rental stores, who employ lots of people and also buy the games from the publisher initially.

So whilst both actions aren't going to be seen as good by the developer theres no contest when it comes to the comparison between the two. Buying used and renting games are far better for the economy then pirating and more ethical.

Someone give this guy a medal, or an avatar xD. Beautiful post.



I think you should feel worse for the third world laborers who probably work 14 hours a day to produce our gaming consoles and Blue Rays, DVDs and make barely enough money to sustain their lives than you should care about fatcat CEOs and programmers who all live under better living conditions by far.

 

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Jdevil3 said:
Cypher1980 said:

The timeless "Buying Used is a form of Piracy" bandwagon rolls back into town.

I buy used if I can wait a few months before playing the game.

Stuff that really grabs me I buy new.

Result : I support the developers that make games I really like !

The developers I'm not bothered about get supported by their fanbase.

Anyone who makes games few people like, twist in the wind and eventually die.


So you buy new copies of the games you "really like"... that's good but why do you buy (used) games you don't really like? :P

I wouldn't even want a game I don't like as a present... let alone buy it xD


I dont. I just but used copies of games that though I might like them I'm not bothered about waiting a couple of months for a better deal.

For Instance

Dead Rising 2 (New purchase)

Mass Effect 2 (New purchase)

Bioshock 2 (Bought 4 months after release for 60 percent off)

Assassins Creed 2 (Bought 3 months after release for half price)



Stupid logic is stupid.

First, renting and buy/selling used games is LEGAL. Piracy is not. Hence in this context renting/buying used =/= piracy

Second, renting and buying used requires...the legal purchase of a new game through legal channels. Piracy often occurs with a leaked, and hence not legally purchased new, game. Hence in this context renting/buying used =/= piracy.

Third, game rental stores/chains enter into a legal contract with the game distributor, the game distributor has entered into a legal contract with the game developer. One must assume (unless the developer's lawyers are wholly incompetent) that part of the legal contract between developers and distributors is the ability to make the game available through rental outlets, and that this involved fair compensation for rental copies sold. Equally the distributor's contract with rental companies involves a negotiated fair compensation for game rental. Either the rental company pays much more than the normal retail price for a game, and thus owns the game with a legal right to rent it, or the game is leased to the retnal company with a portion rental income going to the distributor and hence feeding back in one way or another to the developer. Hence in this context renting =/= piracy.

Fourth, video games are goods, not services, throughout history once somone has purchased a good it is theirs to use and dispose of as they please, provided how they use it and dispose of it are legal. It's been a fundamental part of the whole economic system since trading in goods began. There is no sound rationale for videogames (computer software in general) to operate outside this mode of economic practice. Patent laws prevent me from copying a "hardware" good and selling it without legal recourse to the patnet owner, copyright laws prevent the same for "software" goods. But a single good legally purchased, but no longer of use or value to the owner SHOULD be on-sold if it is still perfectly functional . To do otherwise would be wasteful. Hence in this context buying used =/= piracy.

Fifth, ever since literacy among the masses became widespread (at least in some countries) public libraries with the [essentially] free lending of books have been a mainstay of continuously advancing cultures. Drawing a parallell to videogames suggests that lending libraries, rather than being preserved, should be banned and burnt to the ground. Yeah, I can see that happening. There are also libraries around the place that have gaming consoles, and allow library members to play games in the library, and this is all legal and above board. Hence in this context renting/lending =/= piracy.

Six, there's only one context in which there is a slight and highly tenuous connection between second-hand trading and piracy: that's retailers buying games off the consumer and re-selling for a profit. But even that has a lot of historical precedent  (including ridiculously high mark-ups compared to the trade-in value) with other goods, including "software" goods like books. Hence even in the most maligned and reviled segment of the used game market buying used =/= piracy.

Thus there is no logic or rational which allows one to rationally demonstrate that the legal activities of used game trading and renting are in any way equivalent, or even in the same ballpark of deplorability, to piracy.



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At least your post acknowledged that equating the three is a bit silly



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Why borrow a game from your friend when you are not giving any money to the developer. Why not pirate instead?

 

Logic=brain dead.




              

Oh. my. gosh. you. are. the. first. person. to. ever. think. of. this. argument.  You. are. so. clever.



 In short, second hand games still fuel the video game industry. When people trade games in, it's to buy new games, which is good for publishers developers.

 Further, it gives the retailer nice profit margins, which they need seeing as the publishers sell their games wholesale to the retailer for a pathetic markup. Fact is the publisher couldn't get away with that if they didn't have other channels, like pre-owned games, to up their margins, don't ever see the publishers mention that though.

 I don't buy games used out of principle but I appreciate that the market does plenty of good, whereas piracy doesn't.



radiantshadow92 said:

Someone give this guy a medal, or an avatar xD. Beautiful post.

Cheers. But I just can't seem to be bothered enough to get myself an avatar. Maybe I will some day.