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Can The Last Story usurp Final Fantasy as the best selling console JRPG?

Yes 65 27.31%
 
No 173 72.69%
 
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Boutros on 25 December 2010
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

FFX is easily considered the best JRPG of all time so whatever you are talking about.

By whom do you mean?

Is it you?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/gotd_bracket.html

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-161797.html

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=138232 (FFXIII, DQIX and MH are just a fad on that list)

A much better effort than I expected, but no. THe thing about the first list is that it doesn't actually pit JRPGs against each othe rin particular, and progressing the furthest of any JRPG isn't the same thing as being the most well-loved wthin a given demographic.

All of the lists have the problem of being opt-in and thus inherently non-representative of larger populations.

The third list doesn't support you at all.

An appeal to authority for an authority that doesn't exist in any meaningful way (and no, none of these are representative) is less-than-useless. Don't go about making claims of the tastes of the majority unless you have indicators that are well and truly indisputable.

Well the second list should be enough to support my claims. Remember that I said that Final Fantasy X is easily considered the best JRPG of all time and it's been voted the best JRPG of all time by Famitsu. That's all there is to it. It represents the Japanese opinion, though.

I have proofz.

When we look at the majority, FFX wins.



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kurasakiichimaru on 25 December 2010

Unless  every wii gets bundled with The Last Story, It will not happen... EVER!!!



Rafux on 25 December 2010

Its not possible for a new IP, JRPG in a single platform.



Khuutra on 25 December 2010
Boutros said:

Well the second list should be enough to support my claims. Remember that I said that Final Fantasy X is easily considered the best JRPG of all time and it's been voted the best JRPG of all time by Famitsu. That's all there is to it. And perhaps you are going to say that it only represents the Japanese opinion.

Then look at this:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/772/772296p5.html

 

It's not even up for debate, I'm afraid. I have proofz.

When we look at the majority, FFX wins.

Manure. In the first place, you don't have "the majority", you have opt-in polls that only represent very specific demographics. You do not have access to any representative samples of the gaming population, or even the JRPG-playing population.

In the second place, your third list supersedes your second, and it shows that FFX is not the best-loved by Famitsu's readers, Monster Hunter is. THen Dragon Quest Ix, then Final Fantasy XIII.

"Those are just fads!" you claim. Doesn't matter. There are exactly two ways in which to view the title of "most-loved" (as heinous as that is).

The first is that "most loved" is necessarily a present tense statement, referring to the JRPG that receives the most love at any given time. Right now that is not Final Fantasy X, it's one of the handheld Monster Hunters, Dragon Quests, or Final Fantasy XIII. Take your pick, because each of those games are receiving more love than Final Fantasy X at this point in time (as your Famitsu list will handily support, natch). Because Monster Hunter and DQ and FFXIII are receiving more love at the present point in time, it is impossible for this qualifier to apply to FFX.

The second case is "best-loved regardless of time", which is even more problematic to prove because it's even more blatantly untrue than the former. FFX would make the otp ten list, I'm sure, but we're not yet far enough away from its release to make a meaningful judgment on its long-term appeal. Worse, it's simply outmatched, because "regardless of time" has to be taken to mean that at the height of love being lavished upon it, it was the most-loved JRPG ever released, which is not the case. This is:

Point being, stop making appeals to the majority when that's not what you're doing. Logical fallacies ("FFX is super well-loved, therefore it is great and talk against it is meaningless!") are bad enough without you plying them incorrectly.



g-value on 25 December 2010
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

FFX is easily considered the best JRPG of all time so whatever you are talking about.

By whom do you mean?

Is it you?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/gotd_bracket.html

http://www.toonzone.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-161797.html

http://gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=138232 (FFXIII, DQIX and MH are just a fad on that list)

A much better effort than I expected, but no. THe thing about the first list is that it doesn't actually pit JRPGs against each othe rin particular, and progressing the furthest of any JRPG isn't the same thing as being the most well-loved wthin a given demographic.

All of the lists have the problem of being opt-in and thus inherently non-representative of larger populations.

The third list doesn't support you at all.

An appeal to authority for an authority that doesn't exist in any meaningful way (and no, none of these are representative) is less-than-useless. Don't go about making claims of the tastes of the majority unless you have indicators that are well and truly indisputable.

Are you serious? It's a known fact that FFX is almost guaranteed to end up on the top 5 of any list it's put in.

I understand that you are not very fond of FFX, but the reality of it is, ALOT of people are. There's a reason why it ended up becoming the first FF game with a direct sequal to it.



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Areym on 25 December 2010

I'm pretty sure the Last Story won't sell much outside of japan.



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Khuutra on 25 December 2010
g-value said:
Khuutra said:

A much better effort than I expected, but no. THe thing about the first list is that it doesn't actually pit JRPGs against each othe rin particular, and progressing the furthest of any JRPG isn't the same thing as being the most well-loved wthin a given demographic.

All of the lists have the problem of being opt-in and thus inherently non-representative of larger populations.

The third list doesn't support you at all.

An appeal to authority for an authority that doesn't exist in any meaningful way (and no, none of these are representative) is less-than-useless. Don't go about making claims of the tastes of the majority unless you have indicators that are well and truly indisputable.

Are you serious? It's a known fact that FFX is almost guaranteed to end up on the top 5 of any list it's put in.

I understand that you are not very fond of FFX, but the reality of it is, ALOT of people are. There's a reason why it ended up becoming the first FF game with a direct sequal to it.

Your first paragraph is both a weak argument ("it is known" is one of the worst argumentative modes there is) and factually incorrect besides. You will find many, many dozens of "best of all time" lists where it is not in the top five.

I do not dispute that many people are fond of FFX. I dispute two assertions. 1, that FFX is the best-loved JRPG of all time (it is not, under either definition of that phrase). 2, that FFX being well-loved somehow negates people's ability to be dissatisfied with it.



Khuutra on 25 December 2010
Jumpin said:
Khuutra said:
Jumpin said:

Nope, but Dragon Quest will probably do just that.

...You think Dragon Quest X is going to break seven million copies sold?

Who says the next Final Fantasy game will sell anywhere near 7 million? DQ9 on one system has sold almost as much as FF13 across two systems. Considering Versus is only slated for PS3 (where FF13 sold only 4.4 million), it seems very likely that DQX will outsell it.

Dragon Quest 9 plus  10 will probably outsell Final Fantasy 13, Versus, Agito, and Final Fantasy 14 combined.

The title implies the best-selling console JRPG of the generation, not a given year.



enrageorange on 25 December 2010

I doubt this game will outsell monster hunter tri. Not that it won't deserve it but this game has no casual appeal and the best selling wii game without casual appeal is resident evil 4 at 1.8mil. Maybe if they find a way to attract the casual audience which I think would end up ruining the game, but without them it has no shot at all of getting near final fantasy numbers.



Wyrdness on 25 December 2010
g-value said:

Are you serious? It's a known fact that FFX is almost guaranteed to end up on the top 5 of any list it's put in.

I understand that you are not very fond of FFX, but the reality of it is, ALOT of people are. There's a reason why it ended up becoming the first FF game with a direct sequal to it.


I like FFX but I agree with him it's not the greatest JRPG of all time it's not even the best FF game to just as many people as those who like it as IV, VI and VII are heavily pivitol to putting the series where it is today. It won't make top 5 in any list because all time brings in far too many factors, games like Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Grandia, Suikoden, Symphonia, Kingdom Hearts, Parasite Eve, Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Saga etc... are all thrown into the mix I agree with him best jrpg of all time is a rash statement.