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Can The Last Story usurp Final Fantasy as the best selling console JRPG?

Yes 65 27.31%
 
No 173 72.69%
 
Total:238

Here's hoping the best for 'The Last Story', but I think the OP is getting a little ahead of itself.



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Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

Well the second list should be enough to support my claims. Remember that I said that Final Fantasy X is easily considered the best JRPG of all time and it's been voted the best JRPG of all time by Famitsu. That's all there is to it. And perhaps you are going to say that it only represents the Japanese opinion.

Then look at this:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/772/772296p5.html

 

It's not even up for debate, I'm afraid. I have proofz.

When we look at the majority, FFX wins.

Manure. In the first place, you don't have "the majority", you have opt-in polls that only represent very specific demographics. You do not have access to any representative samples of the gaming population, or even the JRPG-playing population.

In the second place, your third list supersedes your second, and it shows that FFX is not the best-loved by Famitsu's readers, Monster Hunter is. THen Dragon Quest Ix, then Final Fantasy XIII.

"Those are just fads!" you claim. Doesn't matter. There are exactly two ways in which to view the title of "most-loved" (as heinous as that is).

The first is that "most loved" is necessarily a present tense statement, referring to the JRPG that receives the most love at any given time. Right now that is not Final Fantasy X, it's one of the handheld Monster Hunters, Dragon Quests, or Final Fantasy XIII. Take your pick, because each of those games are receiving more love than Final Fantasy X at this point in time (as your Famitsu list will handily support, natch). Because Monster Hunter and DQ and FFXIII are receiving more love at the present point in time, it is impossible for this qualifier to apply to FFX.

The second case is "best-loved regardless of time", which is even more problematic to prove because it's even more blatantly untrue than the former. FFX would make the otp ten list, I'm sure, but we're not yet far enough away from its release to make a meaningful judgment on its long-term appeal. Worse, it's simply outmatched, because "regardless of time" has to be taken to mean that at the height of love being lavished upon it, it was the most-loved JRPG ever released, which is not the case. This is:

Point being, stop making appeals to the majority when that's not what you're doing. Logical fallacies ("FFX is super well-loved, therefore it is great and talk against it is meaningless!") are bad enough without you plying them incorrectly.

I edited my post btw because I realized that the IGN list wasn't voted by the readers.

 

Also, my claims aren't biased. I'm just looking at the facts.

 

Anyway you totally made it into something far beyond the initial meaning of my post.

Point is, FFX is one of the (if that makes you all that happier) best JRPG of all time and him saying that the Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good since FFVII is false.



Boutros said:

I edited my post btw because I realized that the IGN list wasn't voted by the readers.

 

Also, my claims aren't biased. I'm just looking at the facts.

 

Anyway you totally made it into something far beyond the initial meaning of my post.

Point is, FFX is one of the (if that makes you all that happier) best JRPG of all time and him saying that the Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good since FFVII is false.

You backed off of a factually incorrect statement into another factually incorrect statement.

It is impossible for qualitative judgments for a subjective medium to be true or false, therefore his statement is by no means indefensible. You're free to disagree with him and even argue about it, but trying to claim that you're supported by facts is a verifiable falsehood.



Khuutra said:
Jumpin said:
Khuutra said:
Jumpin said:

Nope, but Dragon Quest will probably do just that.

...You think Dragon Quest X is going to break seven million copies sold?

Who says the next Final Fantasy game will sell anywhere near 7 million? DQ9 on one system has sold almost as much as FF13 across two systems. Considering Versus is only slated for PS3 (where FF13 sold only 4.4 million), it seems very likely that DQX will outsell it.

Dragon Quest 9 plus  10 will probably outsell Final Fantasy 13, Versus, Agito, and Final Fantasy 14 combined.

The title implies the best-selling console JRPG of the generation, not a given year.

It does? How so?

Either way, for a single platform, Dragon Quest X will be the best selling console RPG this generation.



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Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

I edited my post btw because I realized that the IGN list wasn't voted by the readers.

 

Also, my claims aren't biased. I'm just looking at the facts.

 

Anyway you totally made it into something far beyond the initial meaning of my post.

Point is, FFX is one of the (if that makes you all that happier) best JRPG of all time and him saying that the Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good since FFVII is false.

You backed off of a factually incorrect statement into another factually incorrect statement.

It is impossible for qualitative judgments for a subjective medium to be true or false, therefore his statement is by no means indefensible. You're free to disagree with him and even argue about it, but trying to claim that you're supported by facts is a verifiable falsehood.

Okay but let's just say that I provided more proofs than he did. I'm actually trying to make it into something that isn't my opinion by providing facts. I don't quite know what else I should do...

I still don't understand how the links I gave aren't valid...?



Jumpin said:
Khuutra said:
Jumpin said:
Khuutra said:
Jumpin said:

Nope, but Dragon Quest will probably do just that.

...You think Dragon Quest X is going to break seven million copies sold?

Who says the next Final Fantasy game will sell anywhere near 7 million? DQ9 on one system has sold almost as much as FF13 across two systems. Considering Versus is only slated for PS3 (where FF13 sold only 4.4 million), it seems very likely that DQX will outsell it.

Dragon Quest 9 plus  10 will probably outsell Final Fantasy 13, Versus, Agito, and Final Fantasy 14 combined.

The title implies the best-selling console JRPG of the generation, not a given year.

It does? How so?

Either way, for a single platform, Dragon Quest X will be the best selling console RPG this generation.


I doubt it can outsell DQIX



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Boutros said:
Khuutra said:

You backed off of a factually incorrect statement into another factually incorrect statement.

It is impossible for qualitative judgments for a subjective medium to be true or false, therefore his statement is by no means indefensible. You're free to disagree with him and even argue about it, but trying to claim that you're supported by facts is a verifiable falsehood.

Okay but let's just say that I provided more proofs than he did. I'm actually trying to make it into something that isn't my opinion by providing facts. I don't quite know what else I should do...

I still don't understand how the links I gave aren't valid...?

Other people having an opinion does not invalidate his, is the point.



Khuutra said:
Boutros said:
Khuutra said:

You backed off of a factually incorrect statement into another factually incorrect statement.

It is impossible for qualitative judgments for a subjective medium to be true or false, therefore his statement is by no means indefensible. You're free to disagree with him and even argue about it, but trying to claim that you're supported by facts is a verifiable falsehood.

Okay but let's just say that I provided more proofs than he did. I'm actually trying to make it into something that isn't my opinion by providing facts. I don't quite know what else I should do...

I still don't understand how the links I gave aren't valid...?

Other people having an opinion does not invalidate his, is the point.

but other people giving info that is more solid than his is fine which is what boutros did to me.



Rob-Ot said:
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Rob-Ot said:
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Torillian said:
Rob-Ot said:
trestres said:

Tell me this isn't a serious question please :(

I think Final Fantasy has declined a lot in sales. The Last Story is sounding like a game that doesn't come very often and Nintendo is showing they want to market it. They did this to Dragon Quest IX and I think Dragon Quest IX outsold Final Fantasy XIII so it could happen with The Last Story, no?


DQIX outsold FFXIII in Japan yes, but DQVIII got 4.5m and DQIX increased that to 5.3m it isn't a massive step up in percentages.  There's a huge difference between pushing a huge franchise to be even bigger and pushing a new IP to match one of the highest selling JRPG series ever.

I see but is it impossible? If Nintendo gives The Last Story Final Fantasy level marketing it can be possible. The online could mean Japan might get its first multiplayer JRPG. I think there's potential, maybe The Last Story 2 or 3 will see it Usurp Final Fantasy.

White Knight Chronicles had a multiplayer mode...

And then White Knight Chronicles 2.

They were awful games. The Last Story won't be.

Eternal Sonata then.

Edit: WKC2 isn't supposed to be awful.

Eternal Sonata was mediocrity with nice music. WKC2 hasn't been that well received. There has been no amazing console JRPG with multiplayer (online) yet.

Well, we dont even know if the last story will end up being any good, so dont be so quick with leaving good or ok games like those out of there