Here's hoping the best for 'The Last Story', but I think the OP is getting a little ahead of itself.
Can The Last Story usurp Final Fantasy as the best selling console JRPG? | |||
Yes | 65 | 27.31% | |
No | 173 | 72.69% | |
Total: | 238 |
Here's hoping the best for 'The Last Story', but I think the OP is getting a little ahead of itself.
Khuutra said:
Manure. In the first place, you don't have "the majority", you have opt-in polls that only represent very specific demographics. You do not have access to any representative samples of the gaming population, or even the JRPG-playing population. In the second place, your third list supersedes your second, and it shows that FFX is not the best-loved by Famitsu's readers, Monster Hunter is. THen Dragon Quest Ix, then Final Fantasy XIII. "Those are just fads!" you claim. Doesn't matter. There are exactly two ways in which to view the title of "most-loved" (as heinous as that is). The first is that "most loved" is necessarily a present tense statement, referring to the JRPG that receives the most love at any given time. Right now that is not Final Fantasy X, it's one of the handheld Monster Hunters, Dragon Quests, or Final Fantasy XIII. Take your pick, because each of those games are receiving more love than Final Fantasy X at this point in time (as your Famitsu list will handily support, natch). Because Monster Hunter and DQ and FFXIII are receiving more love at the present point in time, it is impossible for this qualifier to apply to FFX. The second case is "best-loved regardless of time", which is even more problematic to prove because it's even more blatantly untrue than the former. FFX would make the otp ten list, I'm sure, but we're not yet far enough away from its release to make a meaningful judgment on its long-term appeal. Worse, it's simply outmatched, because "regardless of time" has to be taken to mean that at the height of love being lavished upon it, it was the most-loved JRPG ever released, which is not the case. This is: Point being, stop making appeals to the majority when that's not what you're doing. Logical fallacies ("FFX is super well-loved, therefore it is great and talk against it is meaningless!") are bad enough without you plying them incorrectly. |
I edited my post btw because I realized that the IGN list wasn't voted by the readers.
Also, my claims aren't biased. I'm just looking at the facts.
Anyway you totally made it into something far beyond the initial meaning of my post.
Point is, FFX is one of the (if that makes you all that happier) best JRPG of all time and him saying that the Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good since FFVII is false.
Boutros said: I edited my post btw because I realized that the IGN list wasn't voted by the readers.
Also, my claims aren't biased. I'm just looking at the facts.
Anyway you totally made it into something far beyond the initial meaning of my post. Point is, FFX is one of the (if that makes you all that happier) best JRPG of all time and him saying that the Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good since FFVII is false. |
You backed off of a factually incorrect statement into another factually incorrect statement.
It is impossible for qualitative judgments for a subjective medium to be true or false, therefore his statement is by no means indefensible. You're free to disagree with him and even argue about it, but trying to claim that you're supported by facts is a verifiable falsehood.
Khuutra said:
The title implies the best-selling console JRPG of the generation, not a given year. |
It does? How so?
Either way, for a single platform, Dragon Quest X will be the best selling console RPG this generation.
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Khuutra said:
You backed off of a factually incorrect statement into another factually incorrect statement. It is impossible for qualitative judgments for a subjective medium to be true or false, therefore his statement is by no means indefensible. You're free to disagree with him and even argue about it, but trying to claim that you're supported by facts is a verifiable falsehood. |
Okay but let's just say that I provided more proofs than he did. I'm actually trying to make it into something that isn't my opinion by providing facts. I don't quite know what else I should do...
I still don't understand how the links I gave aren't valid...?
Jumpin said:
It does? How so? Either way, for a single platform, Dragon Quest X will be the best selling console RPG this generation. |
I doubt it can outsell DQIX
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Boutros said:
Okay but let's just say that I provided more proofs than he did. I'm actually trying to make it into something that isn't my opinion by providing facts. I don't quite know what else I should do... I still don't understand how the links I gave aren't valid...? |
Other people having an opinion does not invalidate his, is the point.
Khuutra said:
Other people having an opinion does not invalidate his, is the point. |
but other people giving info that is more solid than his is fine which is what boutros did to me.
Rob-Ot said:
Eternal Sonata was mediocrity with nice music. WKC2 hasn't been that well received. There has been no amazing console JRPG with multiplayer (online) yet. |
Well, we dont even know if the last story will end up being any good, so dont be so quick with leaving good or ok games like those out of there
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