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Boutros on 25 December 2010
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Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

Well the second list should be enough to support my claims. Remember that I said that Final Fantasy X is easily considered the best JRPG of all time and it's been voted the best JRPG of all time by Famitsu. That's all there is to it. And perhaps you are going to say that it only represents the Japanese opinion.

Then look at this:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/772/772296p5.html

 

It's not even up for debate, I'm afraid. I have proofz.

When we look at the majority, FFX wins.

Manure. In the first place, you don't have "the majority", you have opt-in polls that only represent very specific demographics. You do not have access to any representative samples of the gaming population, or even the JRPG-playing population.

In the second place, your third list supersedes your second, and it shows that FFX is not the best-loved by Famitsu's readers, Monster Hunter is. THen Dragon Quest Ix, then Final Fantasy XIII.

"Those are just fads!" you claim. Doesn't matter. There are exactly two ways in which to view the title of "most-loved" (as heinous as that is).

The first is that "most loved" is necessarily a present tense statement, referring to the JRPG that receives the most love at any given time. Right now that is not Final Fantasy X, it's one of the handheld Monster Hunters, Dragon Quests, or Final Fantasy XIII. Take your pick, because each of those games are receiving more love than Final Fantasy X at this point in time (as your Famitsu list will handily support, natch). Because Monster Hunter and DQ and FFXIII are receiving more love at the present point in time, it is impossible for this qualifier to apply to FFX.

The second case is "best-loved regardless of time", which is even more problematic to prove because it's even more blatantly untrue than the former. FFX would make the otp ten list, I'm sure, but we're not yet far enough away from its release to make a meaningful judgment on its long-term appeal. Worse, it's simply outmatched, because "regardless of time" has to be taken to mean that at the height of love being lavished upon it, it was the most-loved JRPG ever released, which is not the case. This is:

Point being, stop making appeals to the majority when that's not what you're doing. Logical fallacies ("FFX is super well-loved, therefore it is great and talk against it is meaningless!") are bad enough without you plying them incorrectly.

I edited my post btw because I realized that the IGN list wasn't voted by the readers.

 

Also, my claims aren't biased. I'm just looking at the facts.

 

Anyway you totally made it into something far beyond the initial meaning of my post.

Point is, FFX is one of the (if that makes you all that happier) best JRPG of all time and him saying that the Final Fantasy franchise hasn't been good since FFVII is false.