Well, that's what I thought when I played my first vanilla game, too. I was suprised to see a doctor and a SK.

1st day joking has gotten a few people in past games lynched so people have stopped doing that.

Explain to me what is the general consensus of today and how I have opposed it?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=104519&page=1

I hosted that very game, and they asked me to make it Vanilla, that is, Mafia, Townie, Cop, Doctor.

If the definition of vanilla has changed since the 9 months-ish that I haven't played, I can't do much, but you should know that Vanilla implies that.

I actually meant that vanilla discussion. 

Upon review,though,  it seems people are considering vigilante vanilla roles. I dunno what noname thinks on the subject. I wasn't keeping track of that game. You may be right. 

But you just wait! you'll get in a huge discussion sometime in the game, and start arguing the hell with someone. I can feel it!

It's been a busy day... I'm expecting the same tomorrow. I'm hear now, though. Catching up with the thread.

Just a friendly reminder, there are no deadlines in this game, unless people ask for one.

couple questions; (your vote is fine)

silver-tiger posted a list of people who haven't posted yet. You were not on the list.

You quoted silver-tiger and said that there isn't anything to respond to. (despite the fact that you were not being accused of anything) Am I to believe that you white-knighted these fellow mafia players?

Secondly, you describe the posting as "people chasing their own tails". Do you believe that these players are townies? Zex, Vette, Hatmoza, etc? Because I wouldn't describe them as chasing their own tails. That would imply that they are townies who are following bad leads, etc. Please elaborate why these players are on a wild goose chase, and not mafia sowing disruption.

I find it also ironic, that when you look at these two sentences together, and attribute titles, we get a picture of the environment according to Gnizmo.

People who aren't talking don't need to talk. People who are talking are townies. (at least that's how I see it)

Since we're doing "safe votes" and you seem to be garnering most of my attention despite your scant 2 posts, I'm going to vote for you.

unvote

vote: gnizmo

kind of funny... but I cannot find my name on that list...

On the how many mafia are out there topic:

I do believe that a SK is a standard role and it is also likely that there is one in this game since we are 21 players.

Doing my reread and post counts now, so I may quote a couple older posts that happened before my last post before I get into unread stuff. I'll try to keep this concise as I know long posts,(like GOW's analyses) while quite helpful to those that actually go through them, can really be a chore to read.

@Wonk: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3815590
prof never said I was saying things that look townie, in fact I was asking if that's what he thought my intentions were. Also, I'm horrible at self-analysis, but I don't think I was being defensive since there was not even a fos to protect myself against. I was responding to prof and in doing so trying to figure out what I can about him as well. With that, I'm not sure I like you coming to my aid this early on.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3815597
As prof point's out, the 'GOW is townie' comment was sarcastic, though not meant to be humorous. I know full well that whether or not his behavior matches a previous round doesn't really provide a clue as to alignment.
Wouldn't you say radish was close to being lynched day one DUE to how he played? Also things were a bit swingy, but all four of you helped at one point to get votes onto radish. Kantor just took the lead because he was playing differently from normal and a few townies took that and ran with it, without any need for scum to get involved.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3816408
Fair enough on the defensive end. Next paragraph, while it may not have been your intentions, it was the end result in my mind. You looked pro-town by saying prof is scummy based on the no lynch/lynch debate. Final paragraph sounds promising, but forgive me for not taking you at your word yet.

@zexen: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3815865
But if given the .0001% chance that it's non-vanilla or noname borked the balance, if there's 7 mafia:
we'll be 13 to 7 tomorrow with a no lynch, which is disadvantageous.
we'd be 12 to 7 tomorrow with a lynch, which is two more mislynches away from lylo.
Of course we'd have better odds of randomly lynching mafia correctly and going to 13 to 6, though it's still below the magical ratio.

Basically I'd agree with nen's point that the number of mafia shouldn't affect our actions today. The actual amount certainly is important, but whatever it may be doesn't change our progression to day two. If you can also without a doubt rule out multiple factions or an SK, than that could actually make a difference in the best action for today.

My only opinion on the matter is I think for a largely vanilla(no cop, or no doc, or both) town, the ratio should be tweaked more towards fewer mafia. That'd be up to the mod of course, and still shouldn't make a difference day one.

ST: "I'm not going to point any fingers, though....yet."
NEN: "You & Hat are my top suspects, but not enough to warrant a vote.....yet."
Many have expressed some hesitation already, but the common way here jumped out at me. It's not much, but I'll be keeping my eyes out for more similarities.

@Stefl: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3816122
Is "he," me or someone else? Regardless of your answer, who would you say has done something useful and where would you rank yourself?

@SAK: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3816281
2. Why do you doubt there could be two night kills? Quickly browsing through previous rounds to compile the Archives I've seen that it's pretty common for multiple factions or an SK to exist in larger rounds like this, even non-themed ones.
3. Do you mean the abundant repetition of the word "scum"? I'd agree it's stupid, but it's not really alliteration. If you're noticing actual alliteration that I haven't, please explain.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3816396
What makes you think noname wouldn't include an SK?