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A lot of people wanting Kinect ot fail, and others expecting it to succeed.

 

Like any other console or peripheral dependent on software it will really come down to the developers. But the bigger the install base the more reason developers will invest in quality games.

 

So, so far so good for Kinect.





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AussieGecko said:
Metallicube said:

err, 20 million? So you expect it to sell nearly half the userbase of the 360? Exactly what kind of software is going to push 20 million Kinects at $150 a piece ($300 if you include those who don't have a 360)? CERTAINLY not the software out for it now.

I predict sales will fall like a rock after the holiday season. There are no games out now or in the forseeable future that shows otherwise.


You do know that Xbox sales are also growing as well as Kinect? I am asking this because I really dont think you know. You are asking the question thinking that Xbox360 sales are gonna stop tomorrow... that aint gonna happen buddy


360 sales have been on the rise, but Kinect isn't the main driving froce behind that. The reason is more for the slim model, as well as COD: Black Ops and Halo Reach.



20 million is too much.



First I thought Kinect is a cool technology but there is no game I'm interested in.

Then a friend bought it and I was able to play it - all I can say:

DanceCentral and KinectSports are so much fun. I really like Kinect now.



 

 

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Metallicube said:
AussieGecko said:
Metallicube said:

err, 20 million? So you expect it to sell nearly half the userbase of the 360? Exactly what kind of software is going to push 20 million Kinects at $150 a piece ($300 if you include those who don't have a 360)? CERTAINLY not the software out for it now.

I predict sales will fall like a rock after the holiday season. There are no games out now or in the forseeable future that shows otherwise.


You do know that Xbox sales are also growing as well as Kinect? I am asking this because I really dont think you know. You are asking the question thinking that Xbox360 sales are gonna stop tomorrow... that aint gonna happen buddy


360 sales have been on the rise, but Kinect isn't the main driving froce behind that. The reason is more for the slim model, as well as COD: Black Ops and Halo Reach.


The path of denial you're locking yourself into will come back to haunt you.



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People seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room when going on about Kinect's future success; the GAMES. Considering there are only like 15 games for the Kinect right now, 3 or 4 of which are ranking over 80%, and similarly only a few hanging around the top 50 in sales, and even fewer announced releases in the future, all signs point to a massive drop off in sales. It may be selling out because of the initial hype of the technology, but that cannot last forever. Sooner or later, the reality of the weak library is going to affect the hardware sales. Just like a console, the main point of this add-on is to play GAMES. And if it doesn't have the games to back it up, sales will drop, and will drop hard.

What games have been announced that can help push 20 million units? The only decent looking games I see that have been announced are Children of Eden and that Star Wars game, and the latter looks sort of like an arcade game that you play for 10 minutes at Gameworks.

In terms of game sales, only one Kinect game is really selling significant numbers, and that is Kinect Adventures, which is bundled with the hardware, so like Wii Sports, it's a given that it will sell. The other two best games in quality by far are Kinect Sports and Dance Central, which have sold 970,000 and 552,000 respectably. The other Kinect titles are nowhere to be seen on the charts. NPD had no Kinect software in the top 10.

Then you also add the factor of Japan and Europe, two markets that do not favor the 360, and it becomes clear that Kinect software is going to have an uphill battle ahead of it to sell. It's essentially relying mainly on America. If the games don't sell, the publishers will look elsewhere.

Everyone seems to point to the Wii and its motion controls as the driver behind its success, but the simple fact is the Wii would not have been a success without the strength of its library. Games like Zelda, Mario, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, etc. These were all mega hits. Kinect just doesn't seem to have these calibur of games, instead it seems to be littered with rushed Wii third party ports. I mean, games like Your Shape, Joy Ride, Sonic Free Riders, Biggest Loser, Deca Sports, etc. This stuff did not sell on Wii, a console with an 80 million userbase. How on earth could they sell on a platform that will have less than 10 million users for awhile?

In order to sell 20 million or close to it, Kinect needs some killer aps.



NICE,I'm so glad Kinect is doing such big numbers.I hope Sony's Move will be at least 1/2 of Kinect's sales by the end of the generation.



Metallicube said:
AussieGecko said:


You do know that Xbox sales are also growing as well as Kinect? I am asking this because I really dont think you know. You are asking the question thinking that Xbox360 sales are gonna stop tomorrow... that aint gonna happen buddy


360 sales have been on the rise, but Kinect isn't the main driving froce behind that. The reason is more for the slim model, as well as COD: Black Ops and Halo Reach.

Keep telling yourself that. You will feel better.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Metallicube said:

People seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room when going on about Kinect's future success; the GAMES. Considering there are only like 15 games for the Kinect right now, 3 or 4 of which are ranking over 80%, and similarly only a few hanging around the top 50 in sales, and even fewer announced releases in the future, all signs point to a massive drop off in sales. It may be selling out because of the initial hype of the technology, but that cannot last forever. Sooner or later, the reality of the weak library is going to affect the hardware sales. Just like a console, the main point of this add-on is to play GAMES. And if it doesn't have the games to back it up, sales will drop, and will drop hard.

What games have been announced that can help push 20 million units? The only decent looking games I see that have been announced are Children of Eden and that Star Wars game, and the latter looks sort of like an arcade game that you play for 10 minutes at Gameworks.

In terms of game sales, only one Kinect game is really selling significant numbers, and that is Kinect Adventures, which is bundled with the hardware, so like Wii Sports, it's a given that it will sell. The other two best games in quality by far are Kinect Sports and Dance Central, which have sold 970,000 and 552,000 respectably. The other Kinect titles are nowhere to be seen on the charts. NPD had no Kinect software in the top 10.

Then you also add the factor of Japan and Europe, two markets that do not favor the 360, and it becomes clear that Kinect software is going to have an uphill battle ahead of it to sell. It's essentially relying mainly on America. If the games don't sell, the publishers will look elsewhere.

Everyone seems to point to the Wii and its motion controls as the driver behind its success, but the simple fact is the Wii would not have been a success without the strength of its library. Games like Zelda, Mario, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, etc. These were all mega hits. Kinect just doesn't seem to have these calibur of games, instead it seems to be littered with rushed Wii third party ports. I mean, games like Your Shape, Joy Ride, Sonic Free Riders, Biggest Loser, Deca Sports, etc. This stuff did not sell on Wii, a console with an 80 million userbase. How on earth could they sell on a platform that will have less than 10 million users for awhile?

In order to sell 20 million or close to it, Kinect needs some killer aps.

You really dont understand how software sales make it into the top 10.  NPD for instance had Kinect selling about 2 million units in US. So the additional software sales were limited to an install base of 2 million vs install bases of 37, 27, and 17 million for the Wii, 360 and PS3.  So NPD results had Kinect Sports and Dance Central at #11 and #12, but since holiday sales are so inflated the sales are still great.

Of course at the holidays the hot holiday titles are going to dominate the top 10.  With Kinect and Kinect 360 sales so high during the holidays for gifts you will see longer term legs for Kinect Sports, Dance Central and others, while the other software selling well now will drop like a rock (comparatively). Difference being Kinect Sensor and Kinect 360 are the gifts now and the software in the top 10 are the gifts now.  You could see Kinect software sales in January dominate.

Come January people that were given Kinect will go out and add some extra software. Even in December the sales will rise, because mom and dad found a Kinect for the family and Grandma and Grandpa now know that picking up a Kinect title for Christmas would be a nice gift.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

I think E3 in 2011 is going to be absolutely HUGE for 360...



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