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Euphoria14 on 14 December 2010

The recent action-adventure games are "Too hard"?

 

They have actually been quite the opposite.



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Munkeh111 on 14 December 2010

I would say that they are at a nice level now, the only ones that are annoying are those which are a little unfair, like the CoD Veteran modes, where you can be killed by 16 grenades at once (well that was mainly WaW). 

I do find there are some games which are frustratingly hard, but then in most cases you can just turn the difficulty down, simples!



Mr. Fister on 14 December 2010
MrBubbles said:

the newest donkey kong and super mario are "modern action" games?  or is he saying that its fine for them to be hard because only modern action games cant be?


DKCR and NSMBWii (which I thought was pretty easy) allow you to skip over a certain segment if it's too difficult so you can enjoy the rest of the game. Most action-adventures don't do this, and while I do like a good challenge, being forced to repeat a segment several times over to the point where it's not fun anymore is just...not fun.



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Mr Khan on 14 December 2010

I would imagine something was lost in translation here. Generally when Nintendo's talking about "too hard" they usually mean "too complex"

 

Otherwise what he just said don't make a lick of sense



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forest-spirit on 14 December 2010
Mr Khan said:

I would imagine something was lost in translation here. Generally when Nintendo's talking about "too hard" they usually mean "too complex"

 

Otherwise what he just said don't make a lick of sense


It makes more sense after reading the full paragraph:

Miyamoto recognizes that there is pleasure in difficulty but also in ease, in mastery, in performing a familiar act with aplomb, whether that be catching a baseball, dancing a tango, doing Sudoku, or steering Mario through the Mushroom Kingdom, jumping on Goombas and Koopa Troopas. His games strike this magical balance between the excitement that comes from facing new problems and the swagger from facing down old ones. The consequent sensation of confidence is useful, in dealing with a game’s more challenging stages, but also a worthy aim in itself. “A lot of the so-called ‘action games’ are not made that way,” Miyamoto told me. “All the time, players are forced to do their utmost. If they are challenged to the limit, is it really fun for them?” In his own games, Miyamoto said, “You are constantly providing the players with a new challenge, but at the same time providing them with some stages or some occasions where they can simply, repeatedly, do something again and again. And that itself can be a joy.”

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/20/101220fa_fact_paumgarten#ixzz188NnlZd1


Acevil on 14 December 2010
forest-spirit said:
Mr Khan said:

I would imagine something was lost in translation here. Generally when Nintendo's talking about "too hard" they usually mean "too complex"

 

Otherwise what he just said don't make a lick of sense


It makes more sense after reading the full paragraph:

Miyamoto recognizes that there is pleasure in difficulty but also in ease, in mastery, in performing a familiar act with aplomb, whether that be catching a baseball, dancing a tango, doing Sudoku, or steering Mario through the Mushroom Kingdom, jumping on Goombas and Koopa Troopas. His games strike this magical balance between the excitement that comes from facing new problems and the swagger from facing down old ones. The consequent sensation of confidence is useful, in dealing with a game’s more challenging stages, but also a worthy aim in itself. “A lot of the so-called ‘action games’ are not made that way,” Miyamoto told me. “All the time, players are forced to do their utmost. If they are challenged to the limit, is it really fun for them?” In his own games, Miyamoto said, “You are constantly providing the players with a new challenge, but at the same time providing them with some stages or some occasions where they can simply, repeatedly, do something again and again. And that itself can be a joy.”

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/20/101220fa_fact_paumgarten#ixzz188NnlZd1


So basically taken out of context?



 

Khuutra on 14 December 2010

In context the quote is fine.

Moving on forever.



thranx on 14 December 2010
Mr. Fister said:
MrBubbles said:

the newest donkey kong and super mario are "modern action" games?  or is he saying that its fine for them to be hard because only modern action games cant be?


DKCR and NSMBWii (which I thought was pretty easy) allow you to skip over a certain segment if it's too difficult so you can enjoy the rest of the game. Most action-adventures don't do this, and while I do like a good challenge, being forced to repeat a segment several times over to the point where it's not fun anymore is just...not fun.

Exactly



loves2splooge on 14 December 2010

I'm not that good at action games (depends on the game though) but I do feel that action games used to be more difficult in the 8-bit and 16-bit days than now.

That said, the action games nowadays are more complex (just not more difficult). Something like a Wolfenstein 3D or Doom for example is a lot more primitive than Halo: Reach or Gears of War 2. But personally I prefer the simplicity of those old 17-18 year old old-school shooters than modern "cover" shooters.