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U know this generation the PS2 was 2nd behind the wii for best selling console for a while. I think it dropped to 3rd or 4th this year. But anyways when xbox 360 was out PS2 was still the best selling console for 2006. I actuallythink sony should have dleayed the launch of the ps3 until maybe 2007-2008. If they did that the PS3 would have been $300-$400 out of the gate and games like MGS4, killzone 2, and LittlBigPlanet, etc. would be all coming out around launch time.  I personally think PS4 should launch 2 years after the competition to keep the price low and demolish the launch lin up with killer apps. The console would also feel new since 2 years feels a longer time than 1 year. Its not like 3rd party devs would stop supporting the PS3 either. I think they would start using PS3 as the lead dev console more so they can make sure all of the games run the same on the consoles.

/my 2 cents



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Xxain said:
Jay520 said:
Xxain said:

Jay520 is Sony followed your strategy, PS4 would end up like the dreamcast(unfortunately) That is too long of a wait to release thier next console..waaaaaay to long

Sony aiming to be king again and they gonna need to everything to right to get their.

They wil NOT beat anybody 2 years after theirr competitors start..hell some other company might get the jumpstart on them also during thier absence


Was the DC MUCH more powerful than other consoles? (which I expect the PS4 to be)

And even if it was, did Sega have the 1st party like Sony does to show off that power?

I think Sony will come out of the gate with Blockbuster exclusives using their First Party.

Either way, Sony themselves said they would be the last to the market.

In terms of "beating" others. It's going to be a bit more complex than that. I don't think Sony will compare the PS4 too nextbox and Wii2. Did MS care that the PS2 had over 100mil consoles sold and they only had around 10mil. No, because they are on different time frames. 

That's a little far fetched considering the 360 and PS2 were in different gens. However I do think that the PS4's launch will be so great that it'll make the 720 seem 1/2 gen weaker. and with the first party to get the games going, 3rd party will eventually jump on board to lead design on PS4 instead of 720. (like devs did with 360 and PS2). Then nearly all games will look and play better on the PS4. and well... PS4 will be in a good position. 

Thats a Fanboys fantasy, PS3 showed all its power, Sony has ton of blockbuster( not blockbuster sales though) and look wheres at! you are underestimating the competition.


The PS3 first few years was mediocre in terms of SW IMO. the PS4's will be better

The PS3 was extremely expensive . Unless the PS4 has something like Blu Ray, then I don't think the PS4 will be too specific.

As for the PS4, I think it'll have the sames basic structure as the PS3. That way, the first party will be better at making good games early. 

As for the PS3 having a ton of Blockbusters, I don't think so. The past years were OK, but 2011 looks Beast. If the PS4 has years like 2011 every year then it'll be what I'm talking about. 

In terms of power, I think that the PS4's power over the 720 will be greater than the PS3's power over the 360.

SO basically the PS4 will be a lot better than the PS3.

I'm not saying that the PS4 will just blow past the other consoles but I do think it'll be a viable option for sony to release it in 2013 or later. However if the PS4 has some type of new craze like Blu Ray and causes the price to be high, then that changes everything. Or if MS gets a decent First Party ( which could happen) then that'll change my prediction also. As fir the Wii2, I don't even want to predict what they'll do because I'll most likely be wrong. 

Take it as Fanboyism if you want, but that's what I think Sony is planning. 



SecondWar said:
PlaystaionGamer said:

Wii 2.0 - 2012/13

Xbox 3 - 2013/14

PS4 - 2015-17

Im not sure it will work like that because then the PS4 will be years behind (or ahead in terms of tech) the other consoles. Theyre all likely to launch with about 18 months of each other

Not even matters of "being behind" technically. You're not going to let Nintendo and Microsoft define the terms of the new console game for two to five years while you're still sitting around with the PS3. PlayStation Move won't make the PS3 live that long in the face of new competitors, quite frankly nothing would, and i'm not directing that just at Sony or Microsoft supporters, it's just a bad idea in the video game market to let the competition launch before you, unless they launch altogether too early (3DO, Jaguar, Saturn, Dreamcast), but Microsoft and Nintendo learned a bitter lesson from launching a year after the PS2, and Sony really took a beating from being a year behind the 360, and that's 1 year. Now they're going to give the competition two to five whole years?

No.



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Darth Tigris said:

Is Sony willing to abandon the PS3 the way MS abandoned the original Xbox?  If not, then we won't see a PS4 until the others make their move.  My bet is that they're not.

The Xbox had a a solid 5 years and its popularity wasn't exactly growing. The Xbox also didn't have the power to handle new game engines and upcoming PC titles. It was impressive to see games like Half Life 2 and Doom 3 on the Xbox, but  they showed the hardware's limitations. It was time to move on.

Abandoning the PS3 now would be stupid at the rate things are going. Its growing in popularity now that its affordable, its earning back some of epic financial losses, and its still a powerful machine by today's standards.

Basically this is a very stupid comparison. Their circumstances are very different.



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Mr Khan said:
SecondWar said:
PlaystaionGamer said:

Wii 2.0 - 2012/13

Xbox 3 - 2013/14

PS4 - 2015-17

Im not sure it will work like that because then the PS4 will be years behind (or ahead in terms of tech) the other consoles. Theyre all likely to launch with about 18 months of each other

Not even matters of "being behind" technically. You're not going to let Nintendo and Microsoft define the terms of the new console game for two to five years while you're still sitting around with the PS3. PlayStation Move won't make the PS3 live that long in the face of new competitors, quite frankly nothing would, and i'm not directing that just at Sony or Microsoft supporters, it's just a bad idea in the video game market to let the competition launch before you, unless they launch altogether too early (3DO, Jaguar, Saturn, Dreamcast), but Microsoft and Nintendo learned a bitter lesson from launching a year after the PS2, and Sony really took a beating from being a year behind the 360, and that's 1 year. Now they're going to give the competition two to five whole years?

No.


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for. 



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Jay520 said:
Xxain said:
Jay520 said:
Xxain said:

Jay520 is Sony followed your strategy, PS4 would end up like the dreamcast(unfortunately) That is too long of a wait to release thier next console..waaaaaay to long

Sony aiming to be king again and they gonna need to everything to right to get their.

They wil NOT beat anybody 2 years after theirr competitors start..hell some other company might get the jumpstart on them also during thier absence


Was the DC MUCH more powerful than other consoles? (which I expect the PS4 to be)

And even if it was, did Sega have the 1st party like Sony does to show off that power?

I think Sony will come out of the gate with Blockbuster exclusives using their First Party.

Either way, Sony themselves said they would be the last to the market.

In terms of "beating" others. It's going to be a bit more complex than that. I don't think Sony will compare the PS4 too nextbox and Wii2. Did MS care that the PS2 had over 100mil consoles sold and they only had around 10mil. No, because they are on different time frames. 

That's a little far fetched considering the 360 and PS2 were in different gens. However I do think that the PS4's launch will be so great that it'll make the 720 seem 1/2 gen weaker. and with the first party to get the games going, 3rd party will eventually jump on board to lead design on PS4 instead of 720. (like devs did with 360 and PS2). Then nearly all games will look and play better on the PS4. and well... PS4 will be in a good position. 

Thats a Fanboys fantasy, PS3 showed all its power, Sony has ton of blockbuster( not blockbuster sales though) and look wheres at! you are underestimating the competition.


The PS3 first few years was mediocre in terms of SW IMO. the PS4's will be better

The PS3 was extremely expensive . Unless the PS4 has something like Blu Ray, then I don't think the PS4 will be too specific.

As for the PS4, I think it'll have the sames basic structure as the PS3. That way, the first party will be better at making good games early. 

As for the PS3 having a ton of Blockbusters, I don't think so. The past years were OK, but 2011 looks Beast. If the PS4 has years like 2011 every year then it'll be what I'm talking about. 

In terms of power, I think that the PS4's power over the 720 will be greater than the PS3's power over the 360.

SO basically the PS4 will be a lot better than the PS3.

I'm not saying that the PS4 will just blow past the other consoles but I do think it'll be a viable option for sony to release it in 2013 or later. However if the PS4 has some type of new craze like Blu Ray and causes the price to be high, then that changes everything. Or if MS gets a decent First Party ( which could happen) then that'll change my prediction also. As fir the Wii2, I don't even want to predict what they'll do because I'll most likely be wrong. 

Take it as Fanboyism if you want, but that's what I think Sony is planning. 


Your post are so naive, becuase you dont even consider on how and what competition has in store.

"Or if MS gets a decent First Party ( which could happen) then that'll change my prediction also. As fir the Wii2, I don't even want to predict what they'll do because I'll most likely be wrong."

before you added any to this thread ^ should of been automatic..always consider the "what if"

the way your post have been written, its almost as if you think SONY has the great ideas for next gen.

 



PlaystaionGamer said:

Hey guys

Today i have seen alot of talk weirdly about the PS4 in reference to Uncharted 3. People are saying things like' may hurt U3 sales' OR 'no uncharted 4 because PS4 will be out soon after U3' 

Can we all just remember a few things. 

The PS3 is Expensive to make. it has a LONGGG way to go before it cost a decent amount and SONY can make a good profit on the hardware. 

Its still very Expensive to create a Game for the PS3. 

SONY wants to make back as much as they can of this 4 billion debt. 

Sony said this has a 10 year plan. thats not 5 years then 5 years under the PS4. thats 10 years of PS3 being Sonys priority. 

We still have yet to see the true Power of the PS3

when people speak about the next gen they need to realise that Sony is stuck with the PS3 for years to come. 

IF sony was to release a new system in 2012/13 the PS3 will be hitting a peak with alot of users at an affordable price. smaller game developers will actually be able to fund a decent looking game. BUT sony will still have a lot of debt left.

WHY would sony release another system that will cost a bomb to make and will cost us around $800 to buy when they know we wont. There will be no games for the PS4 as people wont be able to fund making them. 

The xbox is doing very well with Kinect and will bring in ALOT of gamers who wouldnt have even brought an Xbox before. (the Mum who uses the wii) so MS will also not want to ruin that. 

Nintendo im not sure about. they could release a Wii 2 at any moment as it was always cheap to make the Wii and was a hit fast!

Wii 2.0 - 2012/13

Xbox 3 - 2013/14

PS4 - 2015-17

 

Sony took the risk with the PS3 so it would last a long time. we all know this. Its lifetime is not 5 or 6 years. its 10 in as the main and maybe live for 5 year under the PS4. 

woooohhh that was an essay! sorry for how long that turned out! ahahaa

What are you guys thinking? when do you think the Wii 2. Xbox 3 and PS4 will come out?


No company can afford to launch a next gen console more than 1 year after the other... but if Wii stay with health sales, Kinect and Move keep momentum... we wil have anoucement of next gen in 2012 and launch in 2014... with PS3 still selling after this for more 2~5 years, they can have a 10 year plan...

Not necessarly means they will take 10 years before launching a new one.



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Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
SecondWar said:
PlaystaionGamer said:

Wii 2.0 - 2012/13

Xbox 3 - 2013/14

PS4 - 2015-17

Im not sure it will work like that because then the PS4 will be years behind (or ahead in terms of tech) the other consoles. Theyre all likely to launch with about 18 months of each other

Not even matters of "being behind" technically. You're not going to let Nintendo and Microsoft define the terms of the new console game for two to five years while you're still sitting around with the PS3. PlayStation Move won't make the PS3 live that long in the face of new competitors, quite frankly nothing would, and i'm not directing that just at Sony or Microsoft supporters, it's just a bad idea in the video game market to let the competition launch before you, unless they launch altogether too early (3DO, Jaguar, Saturn, Dreamcast), but Microsoft and Nintendo learned a bitter lesson from launching a year after the PS2, and Sony really took a beating from being a year behind the 360, and that's 1 year. Now they're going to give the competition two to five whole years?

No.


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Immortal said:
Chibi.V.29 said:
Immortal said:

xD. You're not serious. Sony doesn't have a choice in the matter. When the Bii and 720 come along, PS3 will die. They'll need a successor. Also, Sony has had a 10-year plan for all its consoles. Doesn't mean they won't release the next one for three years. Means that they'll keep it alive for 10 years. And with the PS3, I seriously doubt that, too.


One other thing XD Of the 3 current gen consoles PS3 will almost def be the last one standing. Its easily the most future proof console and when they give it a price cut to lets say $199 that would make the cheapest and arguable best 3d blu ray player on the market. Wii and 360 will die probably instantly after there successers come along.

Why will the 200$ price point affect sales so massively? It only gave a temporary, debatable boost to Wii last year. Also, successful Nintendo consoles have a history of selling well after their successors. Wii'll be no different. Besides, looking at its manufacturing costs, it may even sell for 50$ when all's said and done with. It'll pretty much never stop selling then.

you clearly have no idea about the true strength of ps3

the low price point will help it immensely in EMEAA, it's just a matter of time. compared to the competition PS3 is in a lot of markets that have a huge PS following, the only issue they have is the price point because it's just way way too expensive for them at this point with conversion rates

Wii and 360 will die out within a short time period their successor comes out in comparison, IF we follow how it has been in the past. PS3 won't die that soon, I can see it selling good to ok numbers even in 2015.

And a 100 price drop did wonders for the PS3 since last year, you can't deny that. Not all consoles sales respond the same way as you may think.

Worst than convertion rates are tax... in Brazil a official retailer sell ps3 for 1200 reais (705 dolars - exchange rate of 1.7 -), but importation tax of 100% (300 to 600) and shipping revenue...

Our minimun wage is 300 dolars... so you can see it's real expensive a console in Brazil (at launch PS3 costed up to 3000~3500 dolars -> 6000 reais at the time).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Khan said:
Jay520 said:


The PS3 didn't take a beating for releasing a year late. It took a beating because of the high price, lack of good games (compared to other systems), and difficulty to develop for

Aye, and that last one was a loss due to their late release. If they had released concurrently, PS3 would have had third party parity with 360 from the beginning, or very soon after. Instead, with this comparatively easier system that they had a whole extra year to learn about, 360 was able to hold the 3rd party edge for quite some time. 360's large lead in sales also crippled PS3 in that many brands that were known for being PS brands, even early on like GTA or Devil May Cry, went multiplat

PS3 launching a year earlier would've come with its own problems, but it would've solved the early software problems that plagued PS3


I thought the PS3 was difficult to develop for because of some cell or something while the 360 had similar architecture to the PS2. The PS3 was difficult to develop for because Sony made it that way. correct me if I'm wrong as I don't know much about tech.

If Sony makes the PS4 similar to the PS3 then the first party will make good games because they're used to the PS3.

As for the Brands, The PS4 won't lose many exclusives because nearly all of the exclusives on the PS3 were owned by Sony. unlike the PS2 where the biggest exclusives were 3rd party.