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No Offense.., but since what they have discovered are beyond the others technology to reach, or too hard to proof its falsity by others.., it seem they're aready spewing crap like no others..., No offence, but nowadays.., people seem to be "forced" to believe whatever they said, whatever they found, since most people are ignorant at its best.., yeah, i'm no scientist, but judging from their bad track record about fake moon landing..., i'm not buying it anymore..



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libellule said:
leatherhat said:
postofficebuddy said:

 

Oh. My. God. If alien life really has been discovered, even if it's just micro-organisms, the universe as we know it might be fundamentally changed after this. This is beyond huge.

 


Not really, life elsewhere in the universe is pretty much a given to anyone with a rational view of the universe. 

it is not a given, it is far from being 100% sure

it is just a strong possibility

Us being the sole form of life in the entire universe, makes us nothing more than an anomaly. Therefore, extraterrestrial life is a given. Simple math.



It's pretty doubtful that life has been found, more likely some clue that may bring us closer to finding it, but not life. I'm still excited to see what it is though.



I declare Directive B10.8:1 aka Brannigan's Law.

Brannigan's Law states that one cannot interfere with an undeveloped planet. I do not pretend to understand it, I merely enforce it.

This would work much better if I hd d21lewis's avy.



peace_lover said:

No Offense.., but since what they have discovered are beyond the others technology to reach, or too hard to proof its falsity by others.., it seem they're aready spewing crap like no others..., No offence, but nowadays.., people seem to be "forced" to believe whatever they said, whatever they found, since most people are ignorant at its best.., yeah, i'm no scientist, but judging from their bad track record about fake moon landing..., i'm not buying it anymore..

Seriously, the moon landings were not faked. Here's a few reason why...

 

  • You can bounce lasers off a mirror left there by the Apollo astronauts.
  • When you analyse the videos of people walking on the moon their motions cannot be explained by anything other than a low level of gravity (no, the footage isn't slowed down, and no they are not on wires).
  • Videos were made of a feather and a hammer falling at the same speed, which is only possible in a vacuum.*Ninja'd to correct for facts*
  • They've even taken photos of the landing sites of Apollo 11 and 14 where you can see evidence of the human activity.
  • The Soviets had the means to track the Apollo missions, and yet they never claimed it was a hoax. Despite the fact that exposing it as a hoax would have been a huge hammer blow for the USA during the cold war. (Essentially the biggest sceptics of all are satisfied).

 

And to be quite frank, all the "evidence" you hear against people going to the moon is usually easily explainable.

And they haven't found alien life, NASA have just said that they are going to discuss a piece of evidence that will help in the search of life. Nothing has been found.



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We already did... we already did..



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

highwaystar101 said:
peace_lover said:

No Offense.., but since what they have discovered are beyond the others technology to reach, or too hard to proof its falsity by others.., it seem they're aready spewing crap like no others..., No offence, but nowadays.., people seem to be "forced" to believe whatever they said, whatever they found, since most people are ignorant at its best.., yeah, i'm no scientist, but judging from their bad track record about fake moon landing..., i'm not buying it anymore..

Seriously, the moon landings were not faked. Here's a few reason why...

 

  • You can bounce lasers off a mirror left there by the Apollo astronauts.
  • When you analyse the videos of people walking on the moon their motions cannot be explained by anything other than a low level of gravity (no, the footage isn't slowed down, and no they are not on wires).
  • Videos were made of a feather and a hammer falling at the same speed, which is only possible in a vacuum. No vacuum chambers existed in 1966 capable of holding a convincing looking film set. It could have only been on the moon.
  • They've even taken photos of the landing sites of Apollo 11 and 14 where you can see evidence of the human activity.
  • The Soviets had the means to track the Apollo missions, and yet they never claimed it was a hoax. Despite the fact that exposing it as a hoax would have been a huge hammer blow for the USA during the cold war. (Essentially the biggest sceptics of all are satisfied).

And to be quite frank, all the "evidence" you hear against people going to the moon is usually easily explainable.

And they haven't found alien life, NASA have just said that they are going to discuss a piece of evidence that will help in the search of life. Nothing has been found.

Moon hoaxers are the most aggrivating people on Earth. 10 years from now, SpaceX will be selling rides to the moon - when that is the case, shouldn't one think that just *maybe* we could of done it with 20x more funding a few decades ago?

All hoax evidence is based on very small, objectionable issues...They totally deny all the sound arguments. After all, we've been sending stuff in space for decades now - why is it so impossible to believe that once we've left Earth, we haven't gone the few extra days' journey to the closest object to us?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

highwaystar101 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
highwaystar101 said:

I'm afraid I'll find it hard to get excited. It'll probably just be some discussion on an organic molecule that they found on some other body in the solar system, or a discussion on new evidence that could point to liquid water on a moon somewhere. I don't think it'll be anything big.

I would love it to be life, but I think it's a discovery that we're not expecting to make at any time in the near future.

How long do you think will it be till we can contact other life? Meet them!

I really can't say, one thing I can say though is that we're certainly not on the trail of life.

Sure we can hypothesise about finding life in the oceans of Europa (or something similar), but we have no concrete evidence to point us to where we should be searching. There could be life there, but then again there may not. Right now astrobiologists have a "follow the water" policy, and whilst that may be good indicator it is little more than an educated guess.

In short, it could be within our lifetimes if life exists in our solar system, but I wouldn't count on it Intelligent life on the other hand, I think there's no chance within our lifetime I'm afraid.

Yeah, i agree with you highwaystar, its most definitly not intelligent life. but some type of cells they've found that could indicate a link to cells in the human body or organic matter.

a popular theory is that life on earth actully came from a comet that colloided into the earth and introduced foreign molecules into chemistry of our world. thus life evolved from molecules that came from the comet. i think it could be big if they've found evidence of this comet 'theory' happening somewhere else. therefore it could indicate the source of life in this world.

the part of physics to do with large celestial masses is based on Eienstien's work, and based on his theory nothing travel faster than light. and the closest star to us 'Alpha Centuri' is 4 and half years away travelling at the speed of light, thus even if that were possible, based on the laws of physics as we know them, its impossible for a human being within their lifetime to travel to other solar systems and meet the 'aliens' there. suggesting of course that intelligent life does exist in another solar system in our galaxy.

i think it could be an important discovery, if we have some pictures, etc. of some interesting celestial mass, perhaps they've found another planet like ours in another solar system. my rational behind this is the Voyager project. i dont know the details highwaystar, but perhaps you could clarify. i presume that the 2 spacecraft are still travelling away from us and still transmitting data, for the 20 years i think, maybe they've got some new data from those??



mrstickball said:
highwaystar101 said:
peace_lover said:

No Offense.., but since what they have discovered are beyond the others technology to reach, or too hard to proof its falsity by others.., it seem they're aready spewing crap like no others..., No offence, but nowadays.., people seem to be "forced" to believe whatever they said, whatever they found, since most people are ignorant at its best.., yeah, i'm no scientist, but judging from their bad track record about fake moon landing..., i'm not buying it anymore..

Seriously, the moon landings were not faked. Here's a few reason why...

 

  • You can bounce lasers off a mirror left there by the Apollo astronauts.
  • When you analyse the videos of people walking on the moon their motions cannot be explained by anything other than a low level of gravity (no, the footage isn't slowed down, and no they are not on wires).
  • Videos were made of a feather and a hammer falling at the same speed, which is only possible in a vacuum. No vacuum chambers existed in 1966 capable of holding a convincing looking film set. It could have only been on the moon.
  • They've even taken photos of the landing sites of Apollo 11 and 14 where you can see evidence of the human activity.
  • The Soviets had the means to track the Apollo missions, and yet they never claimed it was a hoax. Despite the fact that exposing it as a hoax would have been a huge hammer blow for the USA during the cold war. (Essentially the biggest sceptics of all are satisfied).

And to be quite frank, all the "evidence" you hear against people going to the moon is usually easily explainable.

And they haven't found alien life, NASA have just said that they are going to discuss a piece of evidence that will help in the search of life. Nothing has been found.

Moon hoaxers are the most aggrivating people on Earth. 10 years from now, SpaceX will be selling rides to the moon - when that is the case, shouldn't one think that just *maybe* we could of done it with 20x more funding a few decades ago?

All hoax evidence is based on very small, objectionable issues...They totally deny all the sound arguments. After all, we've been sending stuff in space for decades now - why is it so impossible to believe that once we've left Earth, we haven't gone the few extra days' journey to the closest object to us?


I think it has something to do with the Van Allen belt. Dont bite my head off though. I think they went.

I also think that the whole Space Race thing was a joke though, as it now looks like Russia didnt give a Rats Arse about going to the moon.

Still it was good to spin it as a race against the commies.



routsounmanman said:
libellule said:
leatherhat said:
postofficebuddy said:

 

Oh. My. God. If alien life really has been discovered, even if it's just micro-organisms, the universe as we know it might be fundamentally changed after this. This is beyond huge.

 


Not really, life elsewhere in the universe is pretty much a given to anyone with a rational view of the universe. 

it is not a given, it is far from being 100% sure

it is just a strong possibility

Us being the sole form of life in the entire universe, makes us nothing more than an anomaly. Therefore, extraterrestrial life is a given. Simple math.

nah, you can turn it how you want, life somewhere on the universe is "only" highly probable.

but it is neither obvious, neithere sure, neither proven. We may, indeed, be this anomaly you are mentionning ...

Also, the way you are "thinking" remember me those guys that, because universe or life seems so complex and so well organized, consider the existence of god is ... a given ...

what do you think ?



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