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do you agree with the new TSA security measures?

yes 24 25.26%
 
no 47 49.47%
 
don't care 11 11.58%
 
another great thread,from... 1 1.05%
 
it's all overblown 2 2.11%
 
the should use different tactics 9 9.47%
 
Total:94

Yes.

I don't see why people care that much about the body scanners. They are set to not really see any personal parts, should not be keeping anything anyways, and are not that radiation intensive really. (just read about the tech)

The pat down is far worse. However, I'd rather walk through that scanner and have that much higher comfort in knowing the other individuals on my plane are not carrying weapons or bombs of some sort.

Hell, you probably got just as much radiation from your cell phone today or when you walk next to the scanner used on bags in every airport already.



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twesterm said


Do I care about privacy?  Sure, but there are times I see something as necessary or just not caring.

The person who scans you probably sees thousands of people a day, do you really think they care?  And even if they do care, why should you care?  Just ignore it and get on with it.  It's not a huge deal.  Everyone has issues and a lot of people have body issues (me included, I got a big belly!) but just think of some things as necessary evils.  It's not nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

And one more time, there's a beyond simple solution if you don't like it: don't fly.

What if they institute these measures on bus, train, and sea travel? There's nothing stopping anyone from doing it.

The "just don't fly" argument doesn't fly. It's a necessary service to get anywhere in the modern world. Just as police aren't allowed to grab your junk without due cause, the TSA should have to abide by those same laws. What the TSA is doing borders on unlawful searching. There's a legitimate reason for people to be upset about this practice. The scanners themselves don't even bother me as much as the vigorous groping they do as a deterrent to opting out.




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twesterm said:


Do I care about privacy?  Sure, but there are times I see something as necessary or just not caring.

The person who scans you probably sees thousands of people a day, do you really think they care?  And even if they do care, why should you care?  Just ignore it and get on with it.  It's not a huge deal.  Everyone has issues and a lot of people have body issues (me included, I got a big belly!) but just think of some things as necessary evils.  It's not nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

And one more time, there's a beyond simple solution if you don't like it: don't fly.


First off, you don't get to decide the line for anyone but yourself. That is the bottom line. Secondly, if this was a private business you would be exactly right. This is government. My government. They are accountable to me in everything they do. Why? Because I pay their salaries, interview their bosses, and decide if the people who employ them are fit. They can do nothing official without me having a voice. Nothing.



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rocketpig said:
twesterm said


Do I care about privacy?  Sure, but there are times I see something as necessary or just not caring.

The person who scans you probably sees thousands of people a day, do you really think they care?  And even if they do care, why should you care?  Just ignore it and get on with it.  It's not a huge deal.  Everyone has issues and a lot of people have body issues (me included, I got a big belly!) but just think of some things as necessary evils.  It's not nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

And one more time, there's a beyond simple solution if you don't like it: don't fly.

What if they institute these measures on bus, train, and sea travel? There's nothing stopping anyone from doing it.

The "just don't fly" argument doesn't fly. It's a necessary service to get anywhere in the modern world. Just as police aren't allowed to grab your junk without due cause, the TSA should have to abide by those same laws. What the TSA is doing borders on unlawful searching. There's a legitimate reason for people to be upset about this practice.


If it were something as rediculous as if you had to submit to a body scan  to shop at Wal-Mart, I would agree, that's rediculous and not needed but when you fly, you're flying on something that can easily become an extremely dangerous weapon.

If I have to choose between being that much safer or you having to deal with body issues, I'm going to choose being that much safer every time.

Luckily boats and buses while they could be dangerous (OMG Speed!) aren't nearly as dangerous as planes and I agree, putting a full body scanner on a bus would be stupid.  That simply isn't needed and there are better ways to be secure.  For planes though, with people actively trying to turn them into massive weapons, we have to do something.



superchunk said:

Yes.

I don't see why people care that much about the body scanners. They are set to not really see any personal parts, should not be keeping anything anyways, and are not that radiation intensive really. (just read about the tech)


Should I respost the two links I provided earlier? One of them has people using the full body scanners as a means of porn. Not saved? http://gizmodo.com/5690749/ Nope, no way to save them. Only people to see them are the inspector. And anyone they happen to show later if they decided to save it.



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Gnizmo said:
superchunk said:

Yes.

I don't see why people care that much about the body scanners. They are set to not really see any personal parts, should not be keeping anything anyways, and are not that radiation intensive really. (just read about the tech)


Should I respost the two links I provided earlier? One of them has people using the full body scanners as a means of porn. Not saved? http://gizmodo.com/5690749/ Nope, no way to save them. Only people to see them are the inspector. And anyone they happen to show later if they decided to save it.

Sure if the porn is a really crappy grainy black/white-ish image.

Seriously? Its seen by someone offsite who scans hundreds of people every day.... kinda like a doctor/nurse. Just not that big of a deal.

Only issue I see is ensuring the pics are auto-deleted when there is no issue with the person. Fire a few people for by passing the auto-delete and that problem will sort itself out quickly.



Simple profiling (like the Isrealis do) is far more effective and far less invasive. But that would involve Americans not being god damn retarded. 



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twesterm said:
rocketpig said:
twesterm said


Do I care about privacy?  Sure, but there are times I see something as necessary or just not caring.

The person who scans you probably sees thousands of people a day, do you really think they care?  And even if they do care, why should you care?  Just ignore it and get on with it.  It's not a huge deal.  Everyone has issues and a lot of people have body issues (me included, I got a big belly!) but just think of some things as necessary evils.  It's not nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be.

And one more time, there's a beyond simple solution if you don't like it: don't fly.

What if they institute these measures on bus, train, and sea travel? There's nothing stopping anyone from doing it.

The "just don't fly" argument doesn't fly. It's a necessary service to get anywhere in the modern world. Just as police aren't allowed to grab your junk without due cause, the TSA should have to abide by those same laws. What the TSA is doing borders on unlawful searching. There's a legitimate reason for people to be upset about this practice.


If it were something as rediculous as if you had to submit to a body scan  to shop at Wal-Mart, I would agree, that's rediculous and not needed but when you fly, you're flying on something that can easily become an extremely dangerous weapon.

If I have to choose between being that much safer or you having to deal with body issues, I'm going to choose being that much safer every time.

Luckily boats and buses while they could be dangerous (OMG Speed!) aren't nearly as dangerous as planes and I agree, putting a full body scanner on a bus would be stupid.  That simply isn't needed and there are better ways to be secure.  For planes though, with people actively trying to turn them into massive weapons, we have to do something.

Planes were used as a weapon once. Once.

It's high time we realize that and deal with it realistically instead of treating the general public as if they're criminals.

Personally, I hope lawsuit after lawsuit starts piling up against the TSA until they remove this asinine policy. There are horror stories emerging left and right of agents reaching down girls' pants, being excessively invasive, or attempting to save these body scan images.

I know that when I fly in three days, I'm opting out of that fucking scanner.




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superchunk said:

Sure if the porn is a really crappy grainy black/white-ish image.

Seriously? Its seen by someone offsite who scans hundreds of people every day.... kinda like a doctor/nurse. Just not that big of a deal.

Only issue I see is ensuring the pics are auto-deleted when there is no issue with the person. Fire a few people for by passing the auto-delete and that problem will sort itself out quickly.


Except they aren't insuring it is auto deleted which is a fucking no brainer to set-up. Why is there any non-volatile memory outside of what is absolute necessary to run the machine? How can you trust the TSA when they have come out as being incompetent in the management, and flat out wrong on the specifics? These machines have a lot of different settings. Some give ya images that a Muslim would be ok with. Others not so much. These are used for virtual strip searches. Think about that, and how ineffective the TSA has proven they are in regards to insuring proper etiquette with any of the details.



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leatherhat said:

Simple profiling (like the Isrealis do) is far more effective and far less invasive. But that would involve Americans not being god damn retarded. 

Actually, there is doesn't work either. My Arab sister in law was refused entrance because a cousin of hers who happened to be going at same time but not really together wrote an anti-Israeli article. They both were put in a jail for 24hrs before being set back out. It was increadibly wrong and unjustified.