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psrock said:
Squilliam said:

Well lets see:

Is it because the Xbox was dominant? No, the PS2 was dominant in America pretty much like everyone else. So therefore the sales of the Xbox 360 in America are the result of good actions taken by Microsoft. You can talk until you're blue in the face about how 'Sony screwed up' but even so someone else has to pick up the ball if the star player drops it and then do something with it.

Microsoft just did considerably better. I still remember talk of how PSN was broken pretty much at launch and required a patch to fix it. Price alone doesn't explain why the PS3 is behind because at the present time the average sale price is $266 vs 333 so 2/3rds of Xbox 360s and PS3s sold were at the same price. Eliminate the 1/3rd of Arcade sales and the Xbox 360 is still ahead.

So why?

Microsoft simply offered the services and features better sooner or not replicated at all. America is a large market and multiplayer is important whereas PSN updates come out of Japan which doesn't see such importance. This is why features which have topped the most wanted PSN improvement list 3 years running still haven't been added. Now when you want to play with friends, chances are you'll find them on Xbox Live so chances are you'll buy an Xbox 360 to play with them. If you mainly play Sony exclusive titles and are a PS lover (no shame if you are) it isn't as apparant because you notice only some general features missing. However if you play 2nd tier games online you'll notice the experience is considerably better throughout on Live.

The real question which should be asked is why the PS3 is so strong in America? Probably had people had perfect knowledge in 2006/2007 that games like GTA IV etc would all appear on the Xbox 360 as well we wouldn't be talking about the PS3 as a viable platform in America. The PS3 only survived on peoples assumptions. The assumption at the start that it would be another all destroying platform so the games were ported or developed exclusively on the PS3 on this assumption and systems were bought based on those assumptions.

 

 

The only problem is, when Sony messed up Nintendo became dominant in the US, not the 360. I will give it up for MS for being successful in America but they are far from being dominant.

On your second point to why PS3 survived, I guess you forgot RROD.

The 360 had the games, the online, the support while the PS3 was always too expensive and no support. The PS3 was called a major disaster from Times magazine, but MS allowed them to stay alive because they created some shady hardware so they can come out first. I could have bought a 360 in 2006, but waited because I was scared the 360 would break on me.

Nintendo isn't as dominant as you'd imagine.

I didn't forget RROD, just as I didn't forget YLOD and PS2 DRE. There are people who've experienced all three, including me. If hardware problems didn't stop people from buying the PS2 and PS1 and even PS3 and Xbox 360 because the PS3 too had high failure rates due to its complexity and the only saving grace was the other guy was that much worse.

The PS3 is still called a disaster, that hasn't really changed only the wishful thinking to wash it all away and pretend that the PS3 launched in 2009 makes it appear to be the case. Those articles didn't anticipate the billions of dollars in losses as well as billions in collateral damage needed to salvage the platform so the figured the PS3 would sit down and die, which to be honest was a fair call to make at the time. Funnily enough Sony compensated Toshiba for their HD-DVD losses by selling them fabs for a pittance next to the billions of dollars spent upgrading them.

People always look at the cost and make arguments whilst forgetting value. People will buy something for $499 or  $599 if they think it is worth it. If the PS3 was that much of a better system at $599 then people would have bought them at that price at a rapid rate. There are always pros and cons to everything. Hell 14M iPhones which cost thousands over a 24 month plan in additional fees are a pittance in comparison or the iPad which cost $499 or higher at launch sold because people valued them. They didn't value a PS3 at $499/$599 for all its sophistication because a much simpler system came in at $399 and did as much if not more. So the fact that the PS3 was $599 wasn't just badly played by Sony, the fact that Microsoft released a system for $399 has to be well played Microsoft.





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People seem to think that 360 is more popular than PS3 in America because 360 is made by an American company and PS3 by a Japanese company. Going by this logic the original Xbox should have outsold the PS2 by a good amount but I'm looking at the comparisons and the Xbox only won a couple weeks...seriously it's like 400 weeks that the PS2 finished on top and like 2-4 weeks that Xbox finished on top. Patriotism has nothing to do with it in America.

The reasons I can think of off the top of my head are as follows:

  1. A year head start plus much cheaper than PS3 which allows for MS to have easier and more affordable access to exclusive software right from the get-go.
  2. Xbox-Live is probably the biggest reason why it's so popular in America. We are in times where everybody has access to internet (by everyone I mean most people) and when you can play with your friends on the best online possible then that's where people are going to flock.
  3. MS markets MUCH more than Sony does (as somebody already mentioned here).
  4. Unsurprisingly another big reason why 360 is so big in America and the rest of the world (excluding Japan, even though it's done pretty well) is because of Sony. If the PS3 had lower price, easier to program for, built like a computer and had better software from the start then 360 wouldn't have had enough time to built traction.

MS has just outworked and outclassed (by that I mean outspent) Sony this generation, it has nothing to do with the fact that 360 is made by an American company.



Its easy.

We Americans love Christmas.

Why does this matter?

The Xbox (originally) was a nice shade of green/white and red.  Xmas colored system >  all. 

 



Beuli2 said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Wagram said:
Beuli2 said:

Because americans are easy to brainwash.


This and Microsoft is a U.S. company.

Funny though as i'm an American (and I wish I wasn't) and I prefer Japanese products.



dude this is the problem with people these days

People watch a little anime and become brainwashed into thinking there japanese

They don't think they are Japanase, they think they are anime characters.


And then watch hentai all day and heavily criticize everything from the west.

Give Master Chief Sephiroth's hair and they would say it was the best game ever. The 3 million that bought it first week would probably ditch it though.



Wagram said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Wagram said:
Beuli2 said:

Because americans are easy to brainwash.


This and Microsoft is a U.S. company.

Funny though as i'm an American (and I wish I wasn't) and I prefer Japanese products.



dude this is the problem with people these days

People watch a little anime and become brainwashed into thinking there japanese


I don't watch Anime. I watched the Valkyria Chronicles Anime with eng dub. What is wrong with enjoying other countries products?

Just because someone likes Anime it doesn't mean they are happy go lucky for japanese.

Lol.



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Squilliam said:
psrock said:

Nintendo isn't as dominant as you'd imagine.

I didn't forget RROD, just as I didn't forget YLOD and PS2 DRE. There are people who've experienced all three, including me. If hardware problems didn't stop people from buying the PS2 and PS1 and even PS3 and Xbox 360 because the PS3 too had high failure rates due to its complexity and the only saving grace was the other guy was that much worse.

The PS3 is still called a disaster, that hasn't really changed only the wishful thinking to wash it all away and pretend that the PS3 launched in 2009 makes it appear to be the case. Those articles didn't anticipate the billions of dollars in losses as well as billions in collateral damage needed to salvage the platform so the figured the PS3 would sit down and die, which to be honest was a fair call to make at the time. Funnily enough Sony compensated Toshiba for their HD-DVD losses by selling them fabs for a pittance next to the billions of dollars spent upgrading them.

People always look at the cost and make arguments whilst forgetting value. People will buy something for $499 or  $599 if they think it is worth it. If the PS3 was that much of a better system at $599 then people would have bought them at that price at a rapid rate. There are always pros and cons to everything. Hell 14M iPhones which cost thousands over a 24 month plan in additional fees are a pittance in comparison or the iPad which cost $499 or higher at launch sold because people valued them. They didn't value a PS3 at $499/$599 for all its sophistication because a much simpler system came in at $399 and did as much if not more. So the fact that the PS3 was $599 wasn't just badly played by Sony, the fact that Microsoft released a system for $399 has to be well played Microsoft.



You can do better than this squilliam. And yes, the Wii is very Dominant everywhere. It sells the most hardware, sofware, makes the most money. Sells the most first party and third party software.

The Wii is selling at a much faster pace the the PS2  even with much better competition.

Anyway, did you just compare a billion dollars disaster called rrod to single digits percentage of broken consoles. The point remains, 360 rrod such an issue, MS had to extend their warranty to fight, and I know for sure lost tons of sale including me because of it.

All I have to stay about PS3 being a disaster is the fact year after year , it keeps getting closer.



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Beuli2 said:

Because americans are easy to brainwash.

EDIT: This post has been moderated. -d1


I really dont see why this post was moderated, the same exact thing popped into my head when i read the title.  xbox 360 beat ps3 to the punch when it released first and brained washed everyone into thinking killing things in first person was the only way to have fun with video games anymore.  It honestly makes me sick to think it sells so well.  ps3 has a much better variety of WELL MADE GAMES.



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I think it's because the multiplatform games. Games like madden are immensely popular in the US and multiplats are generally better on the X360 as it is easier to program for. I also think that besides the 3RROD, the 360's hardware is the best one this gen.

 



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Chairman-Mao said:

Because its an American company. Same reason Japanese buy Sony and Nintendo products but not Microsoft.


^^ I also agree with u.

BTW: Nice avatar.