Kasz216 said:
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I'm not calling DRM consumer-friendly though, read it again.
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Yes you are. If some DD service is customer friendly, it should allow customer to sell their products if they want.
Just to say, I own 100 games on steam and if I could sell them, the number would be something like 20.
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You do realize you can't sell PC games at all right? Heck, you can't return a game to a store if you purchased it because retailers cannot resell the game due to the CD key unless the game is defective and you are just replacing the title with a brand new copy (you will not get your money back). This is why there is no used PC game market for places like GameStop or PlayNTrade. It isn't just Steam, its the entire PC retail market that disabled the entire resale market. Since there is no resale market for PC games, they should not allow reselling of games. And if you think about it, the PSN, XBLA, and Wii's systems are exactly the same as Steam.
Trust me, I am far from the person here to side with the use of DRM, but Steam is far from DRM like SecuROM.
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I can sell games, in fact I just sold couple of pc games. I can sell console games, so why shouldn't I be able to sell pc all games?
I know that you can't sell psn/xbla/wiiware games, but I don't buy those games because of that. If those games are available to buy from retail (xbla arcade collection or something), you can sell them. If a pc game is sold from retail, you should be able to sell it too. But no, thanks to DRM you can't. Steam is one of those drm solutions.
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Because it's illegal... in the US anyway, if anything copyright law is supposed to be more strict in the UK.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/first-sale-doctrine/
You've actually probably been breaking the law, it's just nobody has felt it worth it to track you down.
Just read an EULA before you install a game.
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I don't care if something is illegal in US. I live in mainland europe and here you can sell the software you have bought. EULA =/= law.
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Mainland Europe? It says on your profile you live in the UK. Where EULA's in fact do prevent resale by classfying software as NFR.
Mind mentioning which country you do live in?
There is a pretty good chance you are just uninformed.
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There is a pretty good chance that you know less about the local copyright laws here than me. I have no idea why my profile says UK. I haven't entered my location anywhere.
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Considering I don't know where "here" it's possible. Though if I did know where "here" was it'd probably take all of 5 minutes to bring up info on it.
For example, it's also illegal in France.
From my expierence though, few people know anything about EULAs.
About the only place in mainland Europe I could think where you live if you actually are up on your EULA law is a scandenavian country of some kind.
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Bingo. I live in Finland.
Here is couple of court verdicts about licenses and right to sell used software:
http://juris.bundesgerichtshof.de/cgi-bin/rechtsprechung/document.py?Gericht=bgh&Art=en&sid=ed8a168ed01ef71d02ee07b87136d1c5&client=3&nr=22588&pos=9&anz=25
http://www.usedsoft.com/en/pdf/Rechtsgrundlagen/LG_Hamburg_Urteil_usedSoft.pdf
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Maybe this will be more helpful.
http://www.usedsoft.com/en/company/legal-position.html
http://www.usedsoft.com/en/faq.html
You can find the links from there and a summary of those verdicts.
Damn, our supreme court's webpages aren't easy to navigate, so I just give you this link and the relevant part. I assume that you speak fluent finnish, because you said that you can find it out in 5 minutes. If not, try google translate... :D
http://www.oikeus.fi/uploads/y290krsquci.pdf
"Korkeimman oikeuden ratkaisun KKO 2003:88 mukaan kysymyksessä olleet tietokoneohjelmat
ovat olleet valmisohjelmia, jotka ohjelmistoyrittäjät ovat tarkoittaneet
yleisesti ohjelmien käyttäjille myytäviksi. Ohjelmien käyttöoikeutta ei ole rajoitettu
ajallisesti. Ohjelmat ovat olleet levykkeillä, jotka vastaaja oli ostanut kertakorvausta
vastaan. Nämä seikat puoltavat selvästi sitä käsitystä, että kysymys on ollut yksittäisen
tietokoneohjelman kappaleen lopullisesta kaupasta eikä vain ohjelman käyttöoikeuden
luovutuksesta. Tällaisia kauppoja ohjelmistoyhtiöt eivät ole voineet yksipuolisesti rajoittaa
tietokoneohjelmien myyntipakkauksiin sisällytetyillä yhtiöiden tekijänoikeuden
säilymistä tarkoittavilla ehdoilla sellaisin vaikutuksin, että yhtiöillä olisi edelleen säilynyt
tekijän yksinoikeuteen perustuva määräämisvalta myös asianomaisen tietokoneohjelman
kappaleeseen ja sen edelleen levittämiseen. Tekijänoikeusrikos ja tekijänoikeuslaki
ovat muuttuneet 1.1.2006 lukien. Korkeimman oikeuden tulkinnan kannalta
olennaisissa seikoissa ei ole tapahtunut muutoksia. Sen vuoksi korkeimman oikeuden
tulkinta on voimassa 1.1.2006 jälkeenkin."