I see, but I don't think support is the problem. They just need to start putting out better games.

they already do put out great games

its just that if over a period you get used to west games then you don't like japanese games anymore

when the gen started,360 had alot of western games cause XBOX brand is more western so people's choice changed

this didn't happen earlier as ninty was dominating so we were used to their games

then Playstation came in,they brought all kinds of games but japanese games were supported from the start so people started liking it but as PS3 didn't do well this gen people got used to western games

the japanese game industry would be alot better if PS3 was like PS2 succesfull

by this  idon't mean sony being succesfull but the game selling on that platform which as sony supported japanese development,people would have still liked their kind of games

and ninty isn't really open outside first party

No, I got used to playing better games. Japanese games have become mediocre in comparison.

I still play Japanese games, but they just aren't at par with western games.

When the PS2 dominated, western games weren't nearly as good as they are today.

for japanese games to come back to their glory days,PS4 needs to good seller which it will be and the japanese gaming industry will improve next gen.

Alot of misinformation in here...

1) If you look at Console HW, Console SW, Cellphone games, MMOs, Social Games, Retail PC games, advertising supported freeware, digitally distributed games, and whatever else, than Japanese developers are definitely seeing their share shrink.

well the japanese industry is loosing in the social games as they aren't that social,that their way

they fail in MMO as they are more of single player based industry

2) Without Wii the development community would be in alot more trouble. PS2 (600m) Xbox (100m) combined as a market was a 600m third party market from 2000-2005, vs. PS3 X360 which is a 600m third party market. That may sound ok, but there needed to be huge growth to offsetthe increase in development costs. Wii added another 300m third party market to that 600m...

yes without wii,the japanese development industry would be even more deficit but if they were like the PS2 then it would be better or if PS3 was succesful,the japanese industry would have been better

3) Which means GC --> Wii was the big winner in third pary support. A 120m ish third party market over six years became a 300m third party market in four years with maybe a 10-20% increase in dev costs. 

yes but they could have been alot bigger winnes if they made their console  more like PS2 which third parties liked to develop for

PS2 --> PS3 was the big loser. The 600m PS2 market in five years became a 350m market in four years (120m to 87m per year) as development costs doubled.

for this PS3 should have been succesfull

Xbox --> X360 has doubled as a sw market, in line with the increase in dev costs, which is why X360 support was stable from Xbox and now increased over Xbox in the last two to three years.

yes 360 up'ed the SW market but at the other hand,it up'ed the western market way higher which changed the industry choice of games which was lethal for japanese games

To those saying third party games don't sell on Nintendo systems - that not true strictly speaking.Nintendo usually takes 55% share in the first three years, but if the console is popular enough that share rapidly shrinks and third parties can knock Nintendo down to 30-40%, in line with Sega on Genesis or Sony on PS1.

well nobody is saying it doesn't but majorly it is a platform for ninty games,how many big third parties game franchises do come to ninty console.not anywhere near like the other consoles do

When a Nintendo system gets to big enough volumes it becomes impossible for third party software not to sell. Wii is going to end up selling at least 500m third party games lifetime, which is $10 billion dollars for them.

tthird parties comes in but how much success do they have per title,not much

You can say the ratio of third party games to total sw on Wii is far lower, and thats true, but the sheer numbers show third party games do sell on Wii in huge quantities.

we will see about the figures when wii is done 500m third is far now(not seen figures lately)

also wii might sell but do their third party titles have much effect in how the industry trend and choices

no they don't,majorly only ifrst party ninty titles dictate trends if any

4) The Japanese industry has been in trouble for a while now on the console side. PS2 had 20-something million sellers (GC had one), PS1 had 30-something (N64 had eight or something), SNES had 20-something, and NES had 42.

i think ps2 was the alright for japanese industry although it might look bad,it was very stable

if PS3 had been succesfull,the japanese industry would be at the same level it was with PS2 or a bit better

wii could have helped as it is japanese oriented and japanese third parties would have ideal platofrm to sell on

and for 360,it made the industry go west so it could have helped had it have japanese support from the start to not mkae their console a western console

No. It doesn't matter how PS4 does.

Western audiences aren't gonna give a shit about Japanese games until they get better. Or atleast get at par with western games.

but when the japanese games don't have platform then how will they be better

the 360 went western from the start so japanese games just didn't get their platform

and till the time PS3 came back,the industrywide choice had changed

when this gen started,the western games weren't on par and they improved and people liked them,this is the same with what will be japanese's games case when next gen starts

so japanese games need a platform for them from the sstart and then build on it

but when the japanese games don't have platform then how will they be better

the 360 went western from the start so japanese games just didn't get their platform

and till the time PS3 came back,the industrywide choice had changed

when this gen started,the western games weren't on par and they improved and people liked them,this is the same with what will be japanese's games case when next gen starts

so japanese games need a platform for them from the sstart and then build on it