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I have a few suggestions for how to make the database even greater than it already is!

We should have pages for people and characters as well (like IMDB in a way), so you can add staff members to a game (just the important ones, like director, voice actors of prominent characters, producer, etc.), and see the page for that person to see what else they have worked. The same goes for characters, we should have pages about them to see who have voiced them, what games they have featured in, their history, etc.

That would be really neat.

I'm well aware you're busy with a lot of other things too though, so I'll just end with a "Keep up the good work!".



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Rainbird.

We don't have a VGC IM, ioi is working on revamping VGChartz and gamrConnect, we can't use plus signs in posts, there are no graphs, and you want us to add staff pages to the DB?

Games are different from films. Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie and Sir Michael Caine are all famous actors. Quite a few actors are famous. There's no position in the gaming industry of equivalent fame, really. A handful of developers, like CliffyB, Kojima, Miyamoto and to a lesser extent people like Ted Price and Fumito Ueda, are famous. But the large majority aren't. Can you tell me who the Producer and Lead Designer of Naughty Bear were? Enslaved? The Force Unleashed 2? No, because you don't really care. They're not big games, and they're not overly brilliant, so nobody has any idea who made them, beyond the name of the actual development studio.

That's as far as I think we could go - pages for development studios and publishers. But that comes after all of this 3.0 2.0 stuff.




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don't be close minded Kantor, we should always be adding stuff to the game DB Anyways, game page improvements are part of this gamrReview 2.0 stuff.

Anyways, I sorta agree that having pages dedicated to developers is overboard (I already thought this out a couple weeks ago), but I'm all for having a page added to the game page that lists out the game credits.




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First, we should remove Flower from the database.



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hatmoza said:

First, we should remove Flower from the database.


good idea, having it in the database with all the other video games is kind of slumming it for Flower.  We should probably have a separate database just for Flower since it stands alone as the best game evah.  :P

OT: I like that idea, mostly because we don't think about the people making the games enough and this might be a way for people to easier learn things about the people who made their favorite games.



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Kantor said:

Rainbird.

We don't have a VGC IM, ioi is working on revamping VGChartz and gamrConnect, we can't use plus signs in posts, there are no graphs, and you want us to add staff pages to the DB?

Games are different from films. Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie and Sir Michael Caine are all famous actors. Quite a few actors are famous. There's no position in the gaming industry of equivalent fame, really. A handful of developers, like CliffyB, Kojima, Miyamoto and to a lesser extent people like Ted Price and Fumito Ueda, are famous. But the large majority aren't. Can you tell me who the Producer and Lead Designer of Naughty Bear were? Enslaved? The Force Unleashed 2? No, because you don't really care. They're not big games, and they're not overly brilliant, so nobody has any idea who made them, beyond the name of the actual development studio.

That's as far as I think we could go - pages for development studios and publishers. But that comes after all of this 3.0 2.0 stuff.

I don't expect it to come around soon, I just want to put it out there, so maybe it will be considered in the future. I'm very, very well aware that there are a ton of more important projects at hand for now and quite a while into the future, but that doesn't mean I can't suggest further improvements.

Antonidas something... He's name is really hard to remember, but believe it or not, I do care about his and Ninja Theory's projects. And Naughty Bear and TFU2 are not good games (going by critics, I haven't played them so I can't judge), so of course I won't care. I won't care who made bad movies either. But if someone I care about make a game, then I want to know about it.

Plus, this isn't just for the über hardcore fans. If David Cage makes a new game, regardless of who he does it with, you can bet your ass I will know about it, but what about that random PS3-owner who played Heavy Rain and wants to know what other games these people have been involved with? What games have Jeremy Soule scored? Nobou Uematsu? What games have Shinji Mikami directed? David Jaffe? Jason Vandenberghe? Ray Muzyka? Patrice Desilets? These are all people where I would be curious to see what projects they have made in the past and are attached to currently.

Again, I just want it to be out there, not some kind of "DO IT NOW!!!1" thing.



Torillian said:

OT: I like that idea, mostly because we don't think about the people making the games enough and this might be a way for people to easier learn things about the people who made their favorite games.

Exactly.

@ nordlead

As long as I can look up the games the different people have worked on by pressing their names, I'm all for it.



And I want a movie database for my off-topic extravaganza!!



Rainbird said:
Kantor said:

Rainbird.

We don't have a VGC IM, ioi is working on revamping VGChartz and gamrConnect, we can't use plus signs in posts, there are no graphs, and you want us to add staff pages to the DB?

Games are different from films. Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie and Sir Michael Caine are all famous actors. Quite a few actors are famous. There's no position in the gaming industry of equivalent fame, really. A handful of developers, like CliffyB, Kojima, Miyamoto and to a lesser extent people like Ted Price and Fumito Ueda, are famous. But the large majority aren't. Can you tell me who the Producer and Lead Designer of Naughty Bear were? Enslaved? The Force Unleashed 2? No, because you don't really care. They're not big games, and they're not overly brilliant, so nobody has any idea who made them, beyond the name of the actual development studio.

That's as far as I think we could go - pages for development studios and publishers. But that comes after all of this 3.0 2.0 stuff.

I don't expect it to come around soon, I just want to put it out there, so maybe it will be considered in the future. I'm very, very well aware that there are a ton of more important projects at hand for now and quite a while into the future, but that doesn't mean I can't suggest further improvements.

Antonidas something... He's name is really hard to remember, but believe it or not, I do care about his and Ninja Theory's projects. And Naughty Bear and TFU2 are not good games (going by critics, I haven't played them so I can't judge), so of course I won't care. I won't care who made bad movies either. But if someone I care about make a game, then I want to know about it.

Plus, this isn't just for the über hardcore fans. If David Cage makes a new game, regardless of who he does it with, you can bet your ass I will know about it, but what about that random PS3-owner who played Heavy Rain and wants to know what other games these people have been involved with? What games have Jeremy Soule scored? Nobou Uematsu? What games have Shinji Mikami directed? David Jaffe? Jason Vandenberghe? Ray Muzyka? Patrice Desilets? These are all people where I would be curious to see what projects they have made in the past and are attached to currently.

Again, I just want it to be out there, not some kind of "DO IT NOW!!!1" thing.

Well, when you put it that way, I suppose it could work.

But still, all of the Metal Gear Solids and FInal Fantasies and Marios will have full development teams detailed, and TFU II and Naughty Bear and Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom will remain blank, because nobody has the inclination to find out who developed them.



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Kantor said:

Well, when you put it that way, I suppose it could work.

But still, all of the Metal Gear Solids and FInal Fantasies and Marios will have full development teams detailed, and TFU II and Naughty Bear and Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom will remain blank, because nobody has the inclination to find out who developed them.

Well, I don't guess we can expect equal levels of detail, but I don't think a game needs that many followers before at least the important bits will be put in. Games like Majin and TFU2 would definitely not be blank. TFU2 had a bunch of people hyped up till its release, and Majin seems to have found a small and dedicated niche of fans.

And if people see blank info for a game, they'll still be rewarded for providing the info, so I doubt any game where the info is readily available somewhere will remain completely empty.