This is why 1:1 can be bad and an aproximation can be better (or at least the software should have both modes). You want the controllers to be accurate enough to understand what the user is trying to do, but the software should make playing the game easy enough for the intended target audience.

If they only want The Fight to sell to serious boxers, then the controls are great. If they want The Fight to sell to your average gamer, than they lost them with bad controls (bad being defined as hard to understand and execute).

backwards. The Sensor bar is the emitter, and the Wii Remote is the sensor. It was a poor name technically, but the advertising department probably thought it was great.

Not that any of that matters to the discussion at hand

Seconded - because it's the same as I said earlier!

I actually welcome the idea of challenging motion control titles that use 1:1 and expect you to actually have to put in some serious effort to be good.  But... clearly there needs to be a mix and clearly any title would do better to factually advertise itself as such.

It's like there are various driving games you could buy, from something GT5 to Crash Bandicoot Karting... ideally, through clear marketing and positioning the buyer knows whether the game is just a fun approximation or actually requiring serious investment to be good.

This is why I think boxing is actually a poor choice for a title right now at launch .  If it's accurate (which The Fight might be, can't tell from the reviews really) then you simply aren't going to be able to boot it up and just dive in and win.  Right now though this seems to go against general perception of a motion control title - which is that it must be simple enough to dive in even in there is depth to the game you game grow into.

The Fight's gritty image is also clearly an attempt to be anti-Wii in a way, but again, at launch and in the run up to the holidays, this just doesn't seem like the best timing for the title.

i don't intend to buy move or kinect until they are priced affordably, have games I want to play with them and i have the space to actually use them

Yeah, I remember hearing about a talk I think at the last GDC where 1:1 motion controls actually aren't always good.  Most people actually aren't good at swinging a sword, boxing, turning a crank, or whatever else but they're good at mimicking a motion.

Got 2 and a nav, really love sports champions, hoping socom 4 will be good too.

Not true at all.  Many PS3 owners I know with multiple consoles have opted for a PS3/Wii as it gives you probably the best combination of exclusives, etc.   I myself am included in this crowd, although I do also own a 360 / Gaming PC.  

You don't sell 75 million consoles when all these big mean HD console owners rip on how lame motion controls are.  Most people ripping on the Wii probably own one themselves.  It's not the concept of motion controllers (The concept is excellent and fueled 75 million Wii's to be sold.)  that people dislike or rip on. 

It's the performance, the function, the software and the softwares assumed target audience that has more 'Hardcore' gamers up in arms and annoyed/upset with the Wii.  To a lot of people (Myself included) the Wii has been very under-whelming in terms of it's performance in games and it's functionality. Whether this means a lack of 1:1, a lack of games supporting motion plus, games that waggling is a viable tactic, etc.

The software that has been good for the Wii has rarely seemed to be good BECAUSE of the Motion Controls (Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, SSB Wii, etc,etc). And the software that is good with motion controls is limited (in my eyes because of the 'type' of games they want to make not because they don't / won't work.)

Also, there has been plenty of debates on what is 'mature' or 'adult' or whatever.   But the fact remains that many people above a certain age would prefer playing a game that feels more geared towards them and this usually means not rescuing some purple onion after being given instructions by this hamster dog thing.  This doesn't mean blood and gore and swear words necessarily either, but just something that has more mental meat to it.   A lot of Wii games in my opinion seem to be shallow on that side.

Make no mistake about it, people of all backgrounds of all levels of ownership are excited about HD-Motion Controls and always have had some level of interest in them.   The implementation has been lacking so far and with Kinect / Move there is a new ray of hope that the implementation (along with graphical fidelity) will improve the entire experience.   Time will tell. 

I will be getting it for myself for christmas!!!

@Rpreutt  couldnt agree more

Nope, probably never will. I would rather spend money on more regular games than Move.