I'm not going to get into a silly flame war over that comment, I just wanted to point out PS3 Shipments have been greater then 360 shipments in the past 3 years, but sales are roughly the same. Only wanted to point that out, not the debate the reality of facts.

PS3 has been selling better then most people originally thought it would have, and good job for them. This 360 vs. PS3 war is quite interesting.

You always come in and insult me CGI. Stop with trying to hurt my image, and if you want to enter the debate then debate, don't just insult. Don't be mad at me because I'm a good debater.

VGChartz numbers are not Sony numbers. Sure total sales line up, but Sony never reveiled their weekly sales. VgChartz analysts assign sales values to week they feel are accurate, and get re-adjusted when new data comes in (Like if sony says 15% or 40% of their console sales are Move bundles, then VGChartz data will be adjusted to reflect that).

I'm only saying that I feel too much of those sales have been attributed to Move, and PS3 sales should be lower for the month of Septmber (thus higher for previous months). Completly logical, and rational thinking, but it seems to have stirred up a pretty interesting debate.

this thread is heating up...will keep watch

Some people do, but do you not see how what I'm saying is completly different from Xanderzane? He says this data is wrong, I say this data will probably be re-adjusted because too much selling power has been given to Move.

I think PS3 sales data for sept may go down by up to 20k weekly, and then that would imply it be higher by 5-10k weekly for July and August.

Also I have been proven wrong in the past on VGChartz before, and I do accept being wrong when I am wrong, but I am very careful on what I say so that I don't claim things I have no supporting evidence for. It's just you yourself have never proved me wrong, you just think you have.

e.g. Someone did prove to me that Forza Motorsport 2 sales were significantly inflated due to the bundle it had. Although we disagree by how much, we both agreed that at least 1 million of Forza 2's sales were due to the console bundle with Marvel Ultimate Alliance (He did this by showing me the spike in sales when this bundle was released for both games). Took about 3-4 posts to conclude this..

So fore my arguement on this thread, I think I make a valid point, and I'm fine for people to debate, but how can I be wrong here? VGchartz data is always re-adjusted when new data comes in, and I do not question Sony's press breifing results.

Even if the data does not get re-adjusted, my initial comment was not wrong to say. It's a speculation, and given the giant boost in sales the Move has gotten, a reasonable one.

BTW Didn't I prove you wrong on something before and you just ignored me? I could slander you all the time, just like you do to me, but I don't. So please stop entering threads simply to insult me and telling people not to debate with me.

Well the simple reason is that African countries (part of EMEA) have become rich and prosperous (epecially The Kingdom of Morocco) and people there are buying PS3 like no tomorrow.

There is also people in EU second consoles for offline play since the PS3 has been hacked.

When you come into a thread telling people not to bother with me, thats insulting.. you should learn to watch how you talk to your peers.

I know I'm not always right, never claimed to be.

Man look, I made a valid and reasonable arguement, one that should be considered. You shouldn't critisize me on every point i make that doesn't unargueably support Sony.

Data may get re-adjusted, most large adjustments on VGChartz do get re-adjustments in the future. This isn't a big deal, I still agree PS3 should be outselling the 360 by a substantial margin. I just think, like console redisigns, and large games, the boost from Move should have subsided quite a bit by now. Sony data does not cover October sales, those are just calculated estimated from VGChartz analysts, and it's completly reasonable to question PS3 sales, especially since they are above DS sales for multiple weeks (something the PS3 and 360 Slim designs didn't even accomplish).

This is just opinion, there is no right or wrong right now because none of us here are proffesional analysists, nor do many of us have to tools to conduct large scale sales analysis's. Why are you so critical on me of this?

I bet if I said the Halo Reach console boost was over-estimated, you wouldn't critisize me (and guess what, it was! It got reduced by 12k). Why can't I say something like this on Move?

As for your link, I read that a long time ago and never questioned it. If you listened to what I said instead of decided to jump in here and say I'm wrong, you would understand that I'm only questioning the boost in sales in September due to the Move. This is what I am debating, not the overall increase in total PS3 sales.

Man some people here need to stop being so defensive when it comes to their favorite console. I made one small reasonable point, and look at the resulting debate.

You're one of the least intelligent people here. You should really reread what you say so you don't sound like a blabing lunatic. No offense, it's just your stance is egotistical. PS2's weren't shipped 50 million in advance, not even close. Nor did they "buy their own" stuff. It isn't a game. Sony and Microsoft ship what makes sense for the season. Why doesn't Microsoft ship as many as Sony? Well that is simple, because Sony's Playstation 3 sells better. It's this simple. If they were dead marked together on release the PS3 would be winning by roughly 7 million units. This is where your "overshipments" come from. They are only behind Microsoft by 3.5 (est) million only with a year delayed. I don't get how people don't get it. Companies aren't allowed to flood channels as no one would buy them. If companies have enough, they don't buy more. I don't know if you know this, but other companies don't have money to blow out of their you know what. They analyze their figures and order dependant on consumer demand and seasons.

So you're wrong. PS3 isn't losing by 5.5 million, nor your crazy 550,000 units. It's down by an estimated 3.5 million units. You're way to dependant on VGC chartz and other bad sources. No offense to VGC, but Sony has many markets that are impossible to analyze right now. PS3 sales are better than they can predict. And again crazy guy, no one is buying millions of their own hardware to up their numbers. They care about their money, their yearly profits a lot more than how many consoles they sell. Hate to break it to you. You're to synical. You're like conspiracy theorists. You might want to look at the simple obvious points before you look at outlandish charges, that don't even hold ground once examined closely.

Point is, don't go over board. Not everything is as complex or evil in intent as you make it to be..

oh no, whatever will Sony do that you don't believe their numbers?  are you actually so delusional that you think whether you believe them or not has any relevance to the world at all? 

I pointed this out in the weekly analysis article. This whole argument about the adjustments being bogus and Sony stuffing the channel is kind of pointless when even after the adjustments we still show Sony stuffing the channel anyway.

Was curious if that was true so what's the Shipped to Sell through difference for the consoles after the adjustments out of curiosity?