I don't refuse to beleive the data, I'm just saying I'm shocked and wouldn't be surprised if it was re-adjusted like almost all large adjustments in VGChartz history have been.

Hey 2 weeks ago, those charts undertracked PS3 by 80k a week, are you really going to preach to me their accuracy? I'm saying PS3 is still likely in first, but it may be selling 20-30k less then it's posted. I just don't see how PS3 sales can jump by 25-35%, but software remains flat. Also Sports champions isn' really selling that many units, so it's unlikely that this software boost is entirely due to the Move.

Also Sony claims to have shipped 700k more units then the 360 over the last 3 months, thats essentially the time the 360S was launched, and why? because Move was released for two weeks? Does Motion gaming really mean that much to people who are considering a PS3/360? I just didn't expect the Move to boost consoles so dramatically, and before this boost was accounted for I didn't think Kinect would do that much for 360 either.

Sony can overexagerate truths. For example, Sony may have shipped 3.5 million units early for the holiday rush, where MS and Nintendo may plan to ship their holiday consoles in October. Then a 3.5 versus 2.8 million consoles shipped makes the PS3 look amazing, when in reality MS and Nintendo are just one big shipment away.

Also one of these adjustments goes back 2 years to account for more difficult to track EMEAA regions. Where did this data come from? Nintendo has made several press breifings showing financial sales using GFK in the last 2 years, why did this data all of a sudden come in now? I'm sure this data was sourced outside the Nintendo breifing.

I'm not saying the data is wrong, I just wouldn't be surprised if it were re-adjusted by 10% or 15%.

And shipping 15 million units when their goal to sell 15 million (not ship) is a legitamate way to smudge data. They did technically sell 15 million consoles to retailers, so it's not lying..

My reasoning for being shocked is that a peripheral (a wand with a glowing ball, and in a couple weeks a 3D camera) boosted console sales as much as a console redesign? Really? Scares me what gaming will eventually become if this is whats selling well...

Some countries also get technology years later. For example, the TV's you see in major European countries, USA, Canada, and Australia came out in Japan about 4-5 years ago. The phones you buy are also out-dated in Japan and South Korea, some consoles even get released a year earlier in Japan (e.g. PS2), and a lot of games developed in Japan take 6 months to a year to get to European/North American Shores.

So just imagine the delay in smaller, more rural countries. I'm sure South Africa gets their consoles at almost the same time as North America/Europe, but what about Afganistan, Iran, Kenya, Romania, etc? I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 5 year delay in some of these places, for all we know the Wii is just being released in Tanzania.

So if the Wii/360/PS3 are still new consoles in some countries, I'd expect the PS2 to still sell well. It's a smaller population, and only a fraction of which are wealthy enough to own a video game console, but it still makes small adjustments in sales.

This type of question, "shipment vs. retail sale" has been raised too many times most recently concerning Sony saying they "shipped" around 1.5 million Move controllers and in all the interviews with the media, their company reps said, "We sold 1.5 million Move controllers." Yes, you sold them to retailers, but a sale to a retailer does not absolutely translate into every shipped Move controller becoming an individual retail sale to a consumer.

Sony is playing a game here with semantics. Sony is deliberately confusing SHIPPED with SOLD and expecting outside observers to be born yesterday and not know the difference. SHIPPED is when you sell units to retailers who may sell out the day they get them or have them sit on shelves for 1 to 6 months. SOLD is each and every sale to an individual consumer.

Also, they need to keep the stores stocked for the holidays. In the aftermath of not enough Wiis to meet demand from 2006 to 2008 (correct me if I have my years wrong) and not enough slim 3s to meet demand last year, Sony may be overshipping to make sure they are meeting demand. This is what I take it as, but I could be wrong and the PS3 may be in Wii-like demand, selling as usual, or overshipping a product that is not in high demand like it was last year. Time will tell.

I've found one too: Consumers are bloated with 40.3 million PS3's, and want moar. Dirty old Sony is continuing to feed the consumer's habit like a drug pusher. Unconscionable!

1.3 million PS3's in the retail channel is so overstuffed it's a wonder retailer warehouses aren't bursting.

They're using the glowing ball on the end of Move to hypnotise all the retailers and make them buy more PS3's than they can sell..."youuuuuuu neeeeed mooooore peeeee esssssss threeeeeeeeses".

Yeah, there has to be a ton of unsold product on shop shelves for the retail channel to be considered overstuffed. It's not Sony claiming 40.3 million LTD bought by consumers. They've only said 41.6 million LTD shipped. The independantly reported sold to consumer numbers would suggest there's been no overstuffing going on recently. Sony shipped a lot of consoles in Q3 because they anticipated a lot of demand, and they were largely right.

if that is true expect Sony to be in court real soon, you can't even over exaggerate your figures it's considered as fraud!!

the fact is you are too stuck on the fact that move is doing so well, and from reading your previous posts you think it's a wiimote with a glowing ball, you do realise that every single review does not agree with you, not to mention move is way more precise than wiimote and it has extra abilities than just true 1:1 3d control, move does what wiimote was meant to do and that is why people are loving it so much!!

No. They are reporting what the numbers mean to them... Do the drug lords in columbia not consider their product sold when they smuggle it into the us to be cut and sold on the streets? Do they need to wait for the dealers to push their stock before they can say that?

EDIT: wrong quote. meant for poster above you.

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That was the funniest comment today!!

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you guys should sleep now and wake up in around 2011 january 26

How exactly does that dil... schtick make you happier? Eeewk!