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Of course it should. The PS3 has been undertracked here quarter by quarter for a long time. Based on VGChartz figures so many time they estimate the 360 to outsell the PS3, yet usually it's the other way around or the true figures are much closer.

I was a regular poster, I warned VGChartz about this multiple times and provided clear evidence. It was usually ignored or even belittled. That's why I rarely post here anymore.

But I am more a tech enthusiast, that has me interested in the PS3 first and foremost. When I stated so many years ago anti-aliasing could be done very well on the Cell's SPEs I often got ridiculed in the forums as well. God of War 3 saw great results using this approach and many high profile games including LittleBigPlanet 2, Killzone 3 and Infamous 2 are now implementing this solid approach as well.

The forums are sadly often dominated by fanboys, for example saying the XBox 360 was extremely failure prone for many years instead of this "being well within industry standards" as claimed by Microsoft even resulted in much abuse. Later of course they admitted this, but fanboys rarely say sorry for their past abuse and will usually find new ways to attack...

I could never have imagined so much negativety towards Sony on English languaged forums and Microsoft hailing/defense. Here Sony enjoys overall a most excellent reputation just like Philips, Microsoft on the other hand has one of the worst reputations in computer history (as for why just read all the anti-trust testimonials and the origins/quality of MSDOS).

I think such bias is reflected on many people who claim to be unbiased as well. IMO VGChartz seems to be run by biased people as well. So many adjustments, so many wrong estimates with regard to the PS3...



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Seece said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Pyramid12 said:

I got no freakin idea, but i think at this point it doesn't matter anymore ps3 has survived the beating it got on early release.

The haters have run out of excuses now, Sony is now profiting.

The gap between both HD console won't be big enough to warrant the 3rd party developers to ditch either PS3 or 360, may it be Ps3 end up having more sales or 360.

 



lol one can hope....but nah that ain't gonna happen, they will ALWAYS find an excuse

Either way in a rare rare situation, I agree with Seece, I'm thinking Next years Holidays...cuz I also think Kinect will be huge this holiday season

Why thank you

and don't hate the haters too much, me personally, I think it's a case of being 500k undertracked, Move bundles, being out of stock for first 6 months of year, and Sony shipping to more countrys than MS. It'll be interesting to see next Q. Logically they shouldn't top last xmas Q, because it had 3 full months of new slim and price cut, it shouldn't have same impact this Q, and GT5 can't match that. But then, nothing surprises me anymore.

500k might be a bit small, after all given that Microsoft and Nintendo are sitting at ~1 to 1.2million consoles sitting in channel at the moment i can't see SONY having any more than 1.5 to 1.8 million in the channel.



MikeB said:

Of course it should. The PS3 has been undertracked here quarter by quarter for a long time. Based on VGChartz figures so many time they estimate the 360 to outsell the PS3, yet usually it's the other way around or the true figures are much closer.

I was a regular poster, I warned VGChartz about this multiple times and provided clear evidence. It was usually ignored or even belittled. That's why I rarely post here anymore.

But I am more a tech enthusiast, that has me interested in the PS3 first and foremost. When I stated so many years ago anti-aliasing could be done very well on the Cell's SPEs I often got ridiculed in the forums as well. God of War 3 saw great results using this approach and many high profile games including LittleBigPlanet 2, Killzone 3 and Infamous 2 are now implementing this solid approach as well.

The forums are sadly often dominated by fanboys, for example saying the XBox 360 was extremely failure prone for many years instead of this "being well within industry standards" as claimed by Microsoft even resulted in much abuse. Later of course they admitted this, but fanboys rarely say sorry for their past abuse and will usually find new ways to attack...

I could never have imagined so much negativety towards Sony on English languaged forums and Microsoft hailing/defense. Here Sony enjoys overall a most excellent reputation just like Philips, Microsoft on the other hand has one of the worst reputations in computer history (as for why just read all the anti-trust testimonials and the origins/quality of MSDOS).

I think such bias is reflected on many people who claim to be unbiased as well. IMO VGChartz seems to be run by biased people as well. So many adjustments, so many wrong estimates with regard to the PS3...


that was a very technical rant lol



 

 

 

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I think this gen was pretty weird. For example Valve initially claiming with hailed fanboy raving the PS3 to be a failure and now stating it is superior (mainly due to the much better PSN flexibility which also allows for games such as LittleBigPlanet 2).

Despite this, nothing has changed really since the launch of the console with regard to PSN flexibility or the PS3's performance potential, all that was already there since launch. Of course Valve and other high profile developers aren't technical retards, they knew about most of the PS3's true potential. Someone should at some point recollect all the media report bias and highlight which media isn't trustworthy, for example with regard to Blu-Ray vs HDDVD, etc, etc, as well.



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Welcomet o the club, Mike. I have been ridiculed in many threads (basically PS3 manufacturing costs and other manufacturing stuff). There are some misconceptions on this site that have become somewhat of a gospel so we "tech-savvy people" have to live with it. It continues with the Move sales thread (I had to really chuckle when I read the last Japan preview that announced "expect the PS3 sales to rise into the 25-40k range" and people were completely confused that the actual sales are flat - which is exactly what I expected). But all in all, vgchartz numbers are reasonably close to real life (there is some channel stuffing going on at the moment on Sony's side). I like to read here because it is inrteresting to see people getting carried away with their beloved comsole (I don't own one - never had and never will).



MikeB said:

Of course it should. The PS3 has been undertracked here quarter by quarter for a long time. Based on VGChartz figures so many time they estimate the 360 to outsell the PS3, yet usually it's the other way around or the true figures are much closer.

I was a regular poster, I warned VGChartz about this multiple times and provided clear evidence. It was usually ignored or even belittled. That's why I rarely post here anymore.

But I am more a tech enthusiast, that has me interested in the PS3 first and foremost. When I stated so many years ago anti-aliasing could be done very well on the Cell's SPEs I often got ridiculed in the forums as well. God of War 3 saw great results using this approach and many high profile games including LittleBigPlanet 2, Killzone 3 and Infamous 2 are now implementing this solid approach as well.

The forums are sadly often dominated by fanboys, for example saying the XBox 360 was extremely failure prone for many years instead of this "being well within industry standards" as claimed by Microsoft even resulted in much abuse. Later of course they admitted this, but fanboys rarely say sorry for their past abuse and will usually find new ways to attack...

I could never have imagined so much negativety towards Sony on English languaged forums and Microsoft hailing/defense. Here Sony enjoys overall a most excellent reputation just like Philips, Microsoft on the other hand has one of the worst reputations in computer history (as for why just read all the anti-trust testimonials and the origins/quality of MSDOS).

I think such bias is reflected on many people who claim to be unbiased as well. IMO VGChartz seems to be run by biased people as well. So many adjustments, so many wrong estimates with regard to the PS3...

Holy shit, your the long lost PS3 guy from Neogaf. Your thread became legendary and it went on for ages after you left, nearly everything you ended up saying like 2 years ago ended up coming true ( I read through the thread a few times and you've kept the exact same name and avatar).

On to your point though: I don't think the site itself is actually biased towards anyone, I just think that it's much harder to find the numbers for all the regions Sony distributes their consoles to. The forums may be a different story, but fanboy drivel comes from every side.

On Topic: I see the 360 staying ahead  until their next console releases, but the PS3 will outsell it in the long run. If by some chance Sony get a crazy boost from another $100 price cut, then it may turn out differently.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

Doobie_wop said:
MikeB said:

Of course it should. The PS3 has been undertracked here quarter by quarter for a long time. Based on VGChartz figures so many time they estimate the 360 to outsell the PS3, yet usually it's the other way around or the true figures are much closer.

I was a regular poster, I warned VGChartz about this multiple times and provided clear evidence. It was usually ignored or even belittled. That's why I rarely post here anymore.

But I am more a tech enthusiast, that has me interested in the PS3 first and foremost. When I stated so many years ago anti-aliasing could be done very well on the Cell's SPEs I often got ridiculed in the forums as well. God of War 3 saw great results using this approach and many high profile games including LittleBigPlanet 2, Killzone 3 and Infamous 2 are now implementing this solid approach as well.

The forums are sadly often dominated by fanboys, for example saying the XBox 360 was extremely failure prone for many years instead of this "being well within industry standards" as claimed by Microsoft even resulted in much abuse. Later of course they admitted this, but fanboys rarely say sorry for their past abuse and will usually find new ways to attack...

I could never have imagined so much negativety towards Sony on English languaged forums and Microsoft hailing/defense. Here Sony enjoys overall a most excellent reputation just like Philips, Microsoft on the other hand has one of the worst reputations in computer history (as for why just read all the anti-trust testimonials and the origins/quality of MSDOS).

I think such bias is reflected on many people who claim to be unbiased as well. IMO VGChartz seems to be run by biased people as well. So many adjustments, so many wrong estimates with regard to the PS3...

Holy shit, your the long lost PS3 guy from Neogaf. Your thread became legendary and it went on for ages after you left, nearly everything you ended up saying like 2 years ago ended up coming true ( I read through the thread a few times and you've kept the exact same name and avatar).

On to your point though: I don't think the site itself is actually biased towards anyone, I just think that it's much harder to find the numbers for all the regions Sony distributes their consoles to. The forums may be a different story, but fanboy drivel comes from every side.

On Topic: I see the 360 staying ahead  until their next console releases, but the PS3 will outsell it in the long run. If by some chance Sony get a crazy boost from another $100 price cut, then it may turn out differently.


And why wouldn't it??? =)

you saw how it performed after $299 last year what do you think will happen after it goes down to $199?

MASSIVE! =D



March sounds way too early to me. I honestly expect Kinect to connect 360 to a new market, so the hardware numbers should rise off that even if software is not massively influenced outside core Kinect titles. If 360 is caught up with, and that's a big IF, I can't see it happening before Q4 2011, and probably not even then.

Then again, as other threads have shown, I'm crap at predicting anything.



I think theirs a good chance PS3 will never beat X-Box WW. Mainly because if Kinect is half the success Microsoft thinks it will be they will soar back out of Sony's reach. Move isn't enough to keep up with Kinect considering Oprah , Ellen and Justin Bieber are all among its supporters. Marketing wise Microsoft has secured first place for awhile if their campaigns fail and Kinect bombs then Sony has a shot by next winter.

But if Kinect takes off and millions upon millions go out to their stores and buy the Kinect Bundle suddenly Microsoft will widen the gap consistantly untill PS4 comes out. Don't under estimate the Kinect it has the potential to save Microsoft and really widen the gap between Sony and its closest competitor.



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