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pizzahut451 said:
Armads said:
pizzahut451 said:

whats the diffrence between an abortion and murder again?


The fetus isn't a human being.


Its a living being that will later become a human, with real personality and feelings. So a true murder happens only when a human is murderd?

Try it this way: by your logic, every single second you spend not either trying to or getting someone pregnant is a second you're deciding to commit murder.

Way to go, Hitler. :P

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AOvechkin08 said:

I'm completely against abortion 100% but I don't think protesting in public is really going to do anything about it. Though I do see his point I don't think flipping out and being a total douchebag is going to help anything.


It's not always about what's going to help and what's not.

They where expecting a son, and it died. Parents can go on big depression for things like this. No one just walks away like nothing happened. Then they have to make a decision for the abortion, which prbably took more fair and hard consideration than anythings those women ever did in their lives. I bet they where pretty shook up when they walked out there.

Then those "ladys" start screaming at his wife she's a sinner and she's gonna go to hell and all that shit, attaking those people on one of the saddest, weakest and most vulnerable moments of their lives. Getting mad and arguing won't help, granted. But that doesn't help how pissed the guy would get in that situation. I'd do the same.

Actually, I hope I'd do the same. I know if my wife was christian and actually had had a really hard time comming to terms with her decision and hearing all that would really hurt her, I'd probably flip ou and beat those two down. Is it the right thing to do? Hell no, but they had it comming and sometimes it can be just too much to take.



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Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
Armads said:
pizzahut451 said:

 

Ending a life=Taking away someones life. Diffrent definition, same point. And i told you millions of times before that I persoanlly consider an embriyo a future human being, (it has a fucking human DNA) and that in no more than 3-4 months it will become a real human.

 Sperm and eggs both also contain human DNA as was already stated, so what's the difference between ejaculating on the floor and removing an embryo from the uterus before it becomes human?


The difference is that it's not your floor that gets all wet and sticky

And the fact that the sperm on floor has 0% chance of becoming a human unlike in uterus

That's not a difference. A fetus on the floor has the same chances of becoming a human being.

*sigh*

Who's talking about fetus?

A sperm on floor-No chace of ever becoming anything even remotely related to human

A sperm in egg (embriyo) in uterus- A future human

Exactly because by your definition you've taken away the sperm's chances to ever become an embryo and therefore a human being.

So by chosing to ejaculate on the floor you've basically done the same as by chosing to abort an embryo.

Again where is the difference ?

You only mentioned the difference between the probability of surviving of sperm on the floor and an embryo inside the womb, but that wasn't the question.

even if you ejaculate inside a woman 200 million sperm cells die and only 1 gets to the egg. So lots of semen ARE MEANT TO DIE one way or another.It doesnt make a difrence if you ejaculate on the floor or not. But you are saying that we should kill that last one who has made it to the egg against all odds and is about to become a human (unlike others, who just had no luck i guess)



pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
Armads said:
pizzahut451 said:

 

Ending a life=Taking away someones life. Diffrent definition, same point. And i told you millions of times before that I persoanlly consider an embriyo a future human being, (it has a fucking human DNA) and that in no more than 3-4 months it will become a real human.

 Sperm and eggs both also contain human DNA as was already stated, so what's the difference between ejaculating on the floor and removing an embryo from the uterus before it becomes human?


The difference is that it's not your floor that gets all wet and sticky

And the fact that the sperm on floor has 0% chance of becoming a human unlike in uterus

That's not a difference. A fetus on the floor has the same chances of becoming a human being.

*sigh*

Who's talking about fetus?

A sperm on floor-No chace of ever becoming anything even remotely related to human

A sperm in egg (embriyo) in uterus- A future human

Exactly because by your definition you've taken away the sperm's chances to ever become an embryo and therefore a human being.

So by chosing to ejaculate on the floor you've basically done the same as by chosing to abort an embryo.

Again where is the difference ?

You only mentioned the difference between the probability of surviving of sperm on the floor and an embryo inside the womb, but that wasn't the question.

even if you ejaculate inside a woman 200 million sperm cells die and only 1 gets to the egg. So lots of semen ARE MEANT TO DIE one way or another.It doesnt make a difrence if you ejaculate on the floor or not. But you are saying that we should kill that last one who has made it to the egg against all odds and is about to become a human (unlike others, who just had no luck i guess)

yep and if a woman decides to abort, the embryo just didn't have luck.



pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:

Exactly because by your definition you've taken away the sperm's chances to ever become an embryo and therefore a human being.

So by chosing to ejaculate on the floor you've basically done the same as by chosing to abort an embryo.

Again where is the difference ?

You only mentioned the difference between the probability of surviving of sperm on the floor and an embryo inside the womb, but that wasn't the question.

even if you ejaculate inside a woman 200 million sperm cells die and only 1 gets to the egg. So lots of semen ARE MEANT TO DIE one way or another.It doesnt make a difrence if you ejaculate on the floor or not. But you are saying that we should kill that last one who has made it to the egg against all odds and is about to become a human (unlike others, who just had no luck i guess)

Don't you see that by deciding not to have a baby before conception you're deciding not to let a future human live just as much as you are if you abort a fetus? There's really no practical difference.

If you are fertile and get a fertile partner and have unprotected sex a few times a baby is bound to be born eventually. If you decide not to do this, you decide to not let a baby live. If there's a fetus at a woman's womb and you do nothing, it'll eventually become a baby. If you decide to abort, you won't let the baby live.

There's really no difference, you "kill a future human being" in both cases so, again, if abortion is murder, so is not activelly tring to have a baby.

You can argue I'm talking about an inaction but it's really the same, either way you're making a decision with the exact same consequence and for a few personal reasons. Basically you're deciding someone won't live because you don't feel like it.

Can you see the logic of this agument? Do you agree? If not, why is it wrong?

Unless of course you actually belive everyone should dedicate their lives to making as many babys as possible, which would make you view internally consistent.



pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:

Exactly because by your definition you've taken away the sperm's chances to ever become an embryo and therefore a human being.

So by chosing to ejaculate on the floor you've basically done the same as by chosing to abort an embryo.

Again where is the difference ?

You only mentioned the difference between the probability of surviving of sperm on the floor and an embryo inside the womb, but that wasn't the question.

even if you ejaculate inside a woman 200 million sperm cells die and only 1 gets to the egg. So lots of semen ARE MEANT TO DIE one way or another.It doesnt make a difrence if you ejaculate on the floor or not. But you are saying that we should kill that last one who has made it to the egg%



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Nobody likes abortion, it's a disgusting thing, but at the same time it is absolutely necessary for a lot of people.

It's sad that some people never understand the second part of my statement because they are so preoccupied with the first part.

I like this guy, he made a good argument against them despite being full of anger. That's very hard to do.



Damn, I broke the thread.



STEKSTAV said:

This one is better when it comes to making those people see how fucked up they are..

That video was pretty good.

Even though I know the reporter probably asked other people and chose the worst, I couldn't help but think that what connected all those people is that none of them could give a coherent answer to the reporter, as they couldn't use one of their rehearsed answers. Just asking them a simple question, but one they had not encountered, was enough to expose them. Outside of being told how to react to certain arguments they had no understanding of the subject, they had put very little individual thought into it (although that was kind of the point of the video anyway).

The third or fourth lady even tried to use a rehearsed answer, even though it had nothing to do with the question. It was the closest thing she could get to fit.

Sorry, I'll leave it here. I'm starting to troll a bit.



Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:
Armads said:
pizzahut451 said:

 

Ending a life=Taking away someones life. Diffrent definition, same point. And i told you millions of times before that I persoanlly consider an embriyo a future human being, (it has a fucking human DNA) and that in no more than 3-4 months it will become a real human.

 Sperm and eggs both also contain human DNA as was already stated, so what's the difference between ejaculating on the floor and removing an embryo from the uterus before it becomes human?


The difference is that it's not your floor that gets all wet and sticky

And the fact that the sperm on floor has 0% chance of becoming a human unlike in uterus

That's not a difference. A fetus on the floor has the same chances of becoming a human being.

*sigh*

Who's talking about fetus?

A sperm on floor-No chace of ever becoming anything even remotely related to human

A sperm in egg (embriyo) in uterus- A future human

Exactly because by your definition you've taken away the sperm's chances to ever become an embryo and therefore a human being.

So by chosing to ejaculate on the floor you've basically done the same as by chosing to abort an embryo.

Again where is the difference ?

You only mentioned the difference between the probability of surviving of sperm on the floor and an embryo inside the womb, but that wasn't the question.

even if you ejaculate inside a woman 200 million sperm cells die and only 1 gets to the egg. So lots of semen ARE MEANT TO DIE one way or another.It doesnt make a difrence if you ejaculate on the floor or not. But you are saying that we should kill that last one who has made it to the egg against all odds and is about to become a human (unlike others, who just had no luck i guess)

yep and if a woman decides to abort, the embryo just didn't have luck.

The baby didnt have any luck or his mom (or dad) was too stupid to think about using protection. Just beccause they were careless doesnt mean they should go kill their child.



Farmageddon said:
pizzahut451 said:
Barozi said:

Exactly because by your definition you've taken away the sperm's chances to ever become an embryo and therefore a human being.

So by chosing to ejaculate on the floor you've basically done the same as by chosing to abort an embryo.

Again where is the difference ?

You only mentioned the difference between the probability of surviving of sperm on the floor and an embryo inside the womb, but that wasn't the question.

even if you ejaculate inside a woman 200 million sperm cells die and only 1 gets to the egg. So lots of semen ARE MEANT TO DIE one way or another.It doesnt make a difrence if you ejaculate on the floor or not. But you are saying that we should kill that last one who has made it to the egg against all odds and is about to become a human (unlike others, who just had no luck i guess)

Don't you see that by deciding not to have a baby before conception you're deciding not to let a future human live just as much as you are if you abort a fetus? There's really no practical difference.

Do you really believe in the crap you just wrote or are you just acting to win this arguemnt? Because i really think higher of your inteligence

If you are fertile and get a fertile partner and have unprotected sex a few times a baby is bound to be born eventually. If you decide not to do this, you decide to not let a baby live. If there's a fetus at a woman's womb and you do nothing, it'll eventually become a baby. If you decide to abort, you won't let the baby live.

There's really no difference, you "kill a future human being" in both cases so, again, if abortion is murder, so is not activelly tring to have a baby.

You can argue I'm talking about an inaction but it's really the same, either way you're making a decision with the exact same consequence and for a few personal reasons. Basically you're deciding someone won't live because you don't feel like it.

Can you see the logic of this agument? Do you agree? If not, why is it wrong?

Unless of course you actually belive everyone should dedicate their lives to making as many babys as possible, which would make you view internally consistent.

 

Do you honestly believe in the crap you just wrote or are you just acting like that to win this arguemnt? Because i really think higher of your inteligence, why would you wanna change my opinnion? You cant possibly serious now, can you?

 

*pardon my arrogance, but i need to be sure your post is serious, and not just for the sake of argueing.