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UncleScrooge on 20 October 2010

What's worth noting in this debate is that suspicion towards everything islam has risen considerably since 9 / 11 and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not only in Europe but the US as well.

It's extremely important for us Europeans to continue this debate, though. Without immigration most European countries will be in trouble because of our aging demographics. It is estimated that Germany needs approximately 300,000 well educated immigrants on its labor market. Putting a (partial) stop to immigration isn't going to solve this because there are no "ethnic" germans to fill this gap. So there need to be guidelines that will help to regulate immigration in a way the number of well educated immigrants can be increased.

For most people it's really just a thing about people from Turkey / Arab countries. Immigrants from western countries (especially other European countries) are generally seen in a much more positive light. Nobody wants to stop EU immigration.

It also has to be noted that people from eastern Europe (especially Roma), muslims and black people often experience discrimination in EU countries. Discrimination of eastern Europeans is hopefully going to stop over the next decades (just like it took a while for prejudices towards other western europeans to fade) but apparently it's not only the muslims who are unable to integrate, a lot of them (more than 20%) are being discriminated against at least once a year.



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sapphi_snake on 20 October 2010
Killiana1a said:

@OP

Just because a national leader does not share your political and world views does not mean she is the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

As for Christian vs. Secular values, man does one need to study up on history. The Christianity one loves to demonize occurred during the Middle Ages. Since then, we have had the Renaissance and the subsequent rise of secularism in the 20th century.

Thusforth, Christian values are the foundation for which secular values could take root and grow. Without them, we may be living in some polytheistic tribal culture where if you offend one God, his followers will stone you to death. So please, consider the alternatives and history going all the way back to Socrates on through St. Augustine to Nietzsche.

Rome was a polytheistic tribal culture where if you offended one God his followers woul stone you to death? And what are these Christian values which were original, and actually invented by Christianity?



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sapphi_snake on 20 October 2010
scottie said:

> Some German politician says exactly what 90% of Australians, say, think, and act upon every single day

> Said politician gets called Hitler II

> In that case Australia must contain Hitler III - 18 or so million

 

Regardless, Hitler would not have said 'the Jews must come to accept German values'. This person bears no resemblance to Hitler other than their ancestry. Whoever wrote the text in the OP is actually more racist than the person being discussed.

 

Surprise surprise, it's Yahoo "news" (for lack of a better term for the drivel they put out)

Merkel didn't say German values, she (supposedly, due to the bad translation) said Christian values.



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HappySqurriel on 20 October 2010
sapphi_snake said:
Killiana1a said:

@OP

Just because a national leader does not share your political and world views does not mean she is the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

As for Christian vs. Secular values, man does one need to study up on history. The Christianity one loves to demonize occurred during the Middle Ages. Since then, we have had the Renaissance and the subsequent rise of secularism in the 20th century.

Thusforth, Christian values are the foundation for which secular values could take root and grow. Without them, we may be living in some polytheistic tribal culture where if you offend one God, his followers will stone you to death. So please, consider the alternatives and history going all the way back to Socrates on through St. Augustine to Nietzsche.

Rome was a polytheistic tribal culture where if you offended one God his followers woul stone you to death? And what are these Christian values which were original, and actually invented by Christianity?

Compared to many other religions (arguably most other religions) Christianity has always been a very tolerant religion, and it is one of the reasons it was such a successful religion. The Catholic Saints and the religious celebrations demonstrate this quite well being that many of the saints are pagan deities and the celebrations are full of pagan practices, and the church grew through peaceful integration with other religions.

I don't think anyone was claiming that these ideas of tolerance were invented by Christianity, but they have been at the forefront of "Christian" countries for hundreds of years; and were typically a part of these societies through much of their history.



sapphi_snake on 20 October 2010
HappySqurriel said:

Compared to many other religions (arguably most other religions) Christianity has always been a very tolerant religion, and it is one of the reasons it was such a successful religion. The Catholic Saints and the religious celebrations demonstrate this quite well being that many of the saints are pagan deities and the celebrations are full of pagan practices, and the church grew through peaceful integration with other religions.

I don't think anyone was claiming that these ideas of tolerance were invented by Christianity, but they have been at the forefront of "Christian" countries for hundreds of years; and were typically a part of these societies through much of their history.

That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of! What saints are pagan deities? And how did the Christianity peacefully integrate itself with other religions considering that Christians persecuted and killed non-Christians, or forced them to convert?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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rocketpig on 20 October 2010
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I will say though, I work in a store in Nevada currently, and I can't help like one third of the people because they don't speak english or not well enough to articulate what they need.

Being able to speak the language of the government of the country you live in is simply a must.  Just to properly exist in society... I could only imagine the problems that would happen if I were a cop or fireman or medical offical or even a government official, rather then some guy at a store.

As for the rest....

We don't really have that big a problem with a multicultural lifestyle in the US, but Germany and the UK in general isn't the US, so I can't say why that is.

Perhaps because of the lesser amounts of free speech and expression.

Here, people gerenally free say a lot of stupid and racist things... and are generally ostracized for it pretty early on and it opens up debate.

In other countries perhaps it does nothing but breed an underground issue that builds until it bursts, and by then so many people agree there isn't anything you can do.

Ostarcised by whom? All the ignorant Americans (and by this I mean Americans who are ignorant/racist etc., I am not calling all Americans ignorant FTR) I've met get all worked up if you ostracise them for their stupid racist etc. opinions. They actually feel that you infringe their freedom of speech if you ostracise them (again, my experience).

I think you Americans have taken freedom of speech way too far.

See, I think those rights are inherent even if the opinions are ignorant and despicable. I look at Europe and Canada and question the government's right to censor unpopular speech, as once that bridge is crossed, it's hard to stop the government from infringing upon unpopular but necessary debate.




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sapphi_snake on 20 October 2010
rocketpig said:

See, I think those rights are inherent even if the opinions are ignorant and despicable. I look at Europe and Canada and question the government's right to censor unpopular speech, as once that bridge is crossed, it's hard to stop the government from infringing upon unpopular but necessary debate.

Debate is too slow, and only works with a certain type of public.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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JazzyJeez on 20 October 2010
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

Compared to many other religions (arguably most other religions) Christianity has always been a very tolerant religion, and it is one of the reasons it was such a successful religion. The Catholic Saints and the religious celebrations demonstrate this quite well being that many of the saints are pagan deities and the celebrations are full of pagan practices, and the church grew through peaceful integration with other religions.

I don't think anyone was claiming that these ideas of tolerance were invented by Christianity, but they have been at the forefront of "Christian" countries for hundreds of years; and were typically a part of these societies through much of their history.

That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of! What saints are pagan deities? And how did the Christianity peacefully integrate itself with other religions considering that Christians persecuted and killed non-Christians, or forced them to convert?

http://babylon-the-great.xanga.com/670593947/item/

It only took me a couple of seconds to google it.

edit: silly link my bad.



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sapphi_snake on 20 October 2010
JazzyJeez said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

Compared to many other religions (arguably most other religions) Christianity has always been a very tolerant religion, and it is one of the reasons it was such a successful religion. The Catholic Saints and the religious celebrations demonstrate this quite well being that many of the saints are pagan deities and the celebrations are full of pagan practices, and the church grew through peaceful integration with other religions.

I don't think anyone was claiming that these ideas of tolerance were invented by Christianity, but they have been at the forefront of "Christian" countries for hundreds of years; and were typically a part of these societies through much of their history.

That has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard of! What saints are pagan deities? And how did the Christianity peacefully integrate itself with other religions considering that Christians persecuted and killed non-Christians, or forced them to convert?

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&expIds=17259,25523,26637,26992,27103,27178&xhr=t&q=christian saints who were originally pagan deities&cp=16&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=christian saints who were originally pagan deities&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=daeda31f9a4e7b77

It only took me a couple of seconds to google it.

Aha, I must admit they didn't teach that at religious classes (and I was never Catholic FTR). More proof for me that Christianity is all made up.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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Slimebeast on 20 October 2010

Germany is about to implode because of mass immigration and when its leader asks people to accept its Christian values she's being compared to Adolf Hitler.

How times have changed.

You try to be humane and tolerant and they'll just piss in your face! European immigration policy is a complete failure.