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Gran Turismo 5 will fail to sell...

Best Selling Gran Turismo 939 37.95%
 
2nd Best Selling Gran Turismo 494 19.97%
 
3rd Best Selling Gran Turismo 389 15.72%
 
4th Best Selling Gran Turismo 116 4.69%
 
The Worst Selling Gran Turismo 536 21.67%
 
Total:2,474
CGI-Quality said:
ArcticGabe said:

Didn't know the environments in PGR4 was that good!!

Actually, both screenshots look bad for both titles. PGR4 looked great, but like GT5, it had quite a bit of flat/bland textures up close. Where I credit GT5, it's not an arcade racer like PGR4, it's running more cars on screen, has more cars to choose from, and runs at a higher framerate & resolution.

Doing the math, I think GT5 easily wins that category (even though again, the two games are only comparable because you can drive cars, but not for much else).

I beleive PGR4 is 1080p resolution, just like GT5. GT5 is a more graphically powerful game, I'm just saying that it doesn't look any better then PGR4 or Forza 3. In the case of graphics GT5 adds no more to the ball game then Halo 3 did in 2007.

This whole argument originated for the sub-topic of PS3 games having better graphics then 360 games, and I only pointed out that GT5 is nothing special, no better then PGR4 or Forza 3. Yes more cars, more cars also running on screen, and car graphics are much better then in PGR4, but PGR4 was a 2007 title, with a much smaller budget. Visually, the environments look the same. So that whole beleif that PS3 is more powerful is a matter of opinion. I personally think Killzone 2 > Mass Effect 2 > Massive tie between Gears 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3. After that graphics really don't stand out.

So relating this back to the topic at hand, GT won't sell as well as prior installments because I believe ratings affect the game, and as a simulator/fun game, I think Forza 3 is better, along with most websites. Hate me all you like, but I'll stand by it, and the only reason I'm here is because some more strongly biased fans mock me unsoundly.



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4k1x3r said:

He knows he's in denial and wrong yet he comes back and bite again, comparing PGR4 and GT5... I'm leaving this world forever... (or if you could, so I can stay a bit more xP)

Don't mock me, reviews speak for themselves. Just because this forum is largely populated with fans loyally bound to Sony, it doesn't increase their market share or public image. It's like taking a biased sample of a target audience, asking the importance of video games almost exclusively to gamers, but not the general public.

How many people mocked the Wii when it first came out here? Same idea.

GT5 sales back up reviews, it's just not doing well as prior installments, and I don't think it's because of user base.



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Michael-5 said:
4k1x3r said:

He knows he's in denial and wrong yet he comes back and bite again, comparing PGR4 and GT5... I'm leaving this world forever... (or if you could, so I can stay a bit more xP)

Don't mock me, reviews speak for themselves. Just because this forum is largely populated with fans loyally bound to Sony, it doesn't increase their market share or public image. It's like taking a biased sample of a target audience, asking the importance of video games almost exclusively to gamers, but not the general public.

How many people mocked the Wii when it first came out here? Same idea.

GT5 sales back up reviews, it's just not doing well as prior installments, and I don't think it's because of user base.

Wai.. what? O_O
Reviews of reviewers that played the game 20hours when 50 are need AT LEAST... I don't care for those reviews. Just play the Madrid track in GT5, then come back here and dare to say it's ugly. It's beautiful.

As for the sales, I'll answer you when this week is completely up, but doing worse than its prior installments.. x), let's wait 10 weeks okay? =)

And for the biased argument, coming from you...

Btw, this thread will soon have 666 posts, it's damned!



4k1x3r said:
Michael-5 said:
4k1x3r said:

He knows he's in denial and wrong yet he comes back and bite again, comparing PGR4 and GT5... I'm leaving this world forever... (or if you could, so I can stay a bit more xP)

Don't mock me, reviews speak for themselves. Just because this forum is largely populated with fans loyally bound to Sony, it doesn't increase their market share or public image. It's like taking a biased sample of a target audience, asking the importance of video games almost exclusively to gamers, but not the general public.

How many people mocked the Wii when it first came out here? Same idea.

GT5 sales back up reviews, it's just not doing well as prior installments, and I don't think it's because of user base.

Wai.. what? O_O
Reviews of reviewers that played the game 20hours when 50 are need AT LEAST... I don't care for those reviews. Just play the Madrid track in GT5, then come back here and dare to say it's ugly. It's beautiful.

As for the sales, I'll answer you when this week is completely up, but doing worse than its prior installments.. x), let's wait 10 weeks okay? =)

And for the biased argument, coming from you...

It's no different then the city course tracks in PGR4, and at least in PGR4 all the backgrounds are rendered using the 360 engine, not pre-rendered like GT5. I doubt any mainstream GT5 review was done on only 20 hours, you can't even unlock the good cars within that small time-frame.

Sales will drop for GT5 after the holidays, and even with the holiday boost, GT5 is selling worse then GT4 which released in February. 10 weeks is much more proper though, I've suggested that from the start to make an accurate comparision, but we all know GT5 will have a weaker start (especially outside EMEAA) then GT4.

As for the biased argument, I think I am a lot less biased then most people here. I know games like Fable 3 will likely not break 5 million like more hardcore fans believe, and Halo Reach will only sell about as well as Halo 3, maybe worse if a Halo 1 remake is released next fall and cuts sales. Besides, I've mentioned before, if I have a bias, it's Nintendo, and I never said you in particular were biased. I just said this forum is much more strongly Sony loyal then a general census. It's seen in the Most wanted Editions, when PS3 multi-console games get up to 10x as many votes as identical 360 titles.



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Overall good numbers so far for the ps3, after holidays will tell how it will sell



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GT5 maybe can be the best selling racer game HD (mario Kart allways be on the top) but never, never convert in # 1 GT ever, even not second... GT4 outsell from the begining GT5...



4m in 4 weeks  and its still selling  over 400k weekly LOLZ!



Michael-5 said:
goforgold said:
Michael-5 said:

 

I don't think Forza Motorsport 3 has any city levels, except for New York Curcuit. However my memories of PGR4 tell me that the level of detail to the structures in GT5 is about the same. I'm not refering to the pre-rendered stuff way in the back in GT5, I'm talking about.

PGR4:

GT5:

The cars in GT5 >>> then PGR4, but the environments...hmm... Seriously GT5 dissapointed me graphically, it is no different then Forza 3. I could take images of different environments and show you how they look better in Forza as well, but the above shows enough.

funny because

spoiler: those are NOT from PGR4.........

Pre-rendered backgrounds, most of the environment, especially the ones more up close don't look that way.

My initial point was GT5 graphics are nothing special, environments look the same, if not better in Forza, and even PGR competes with environmental graphics.

Look below for some PGR4 vs. real world comparisions. It will not look any different then GT5.


and then you post more low res shots with some of the flatest textures ever seen in a screen shot, I think you need to get your eyes checked or you had your mind made up before you even played GT5.

oh and the city levels is GT5 are NOT pre rendered. that's real time in game screen shots my friend, I know I couldn't believe it either.



CGI-Quality said:
Michael-5 said:
CGI-Quality said:
ArcticGabe said:

Didn't know the environments in PGR4 was that good!!

Actually, both screenshots look bad for both titles. PGR4 looked great, but like GT5, it had quite a bit of flat/bland textures up close. Where I credit GT5, it's not an arcade racer like PGR4, it's running more cars on screen, has more cars to choose from, and runs at a higher framerate & resolution.

Doing the math, I think GT5 easily wins that category (even though again, the two games are only comparable because you can drive cars, but not for much else).

I beleive PGR4 is 1080p resolution, just like GT5. GT5 is a more graphically powerful game, I'm just saying that it doesn't look any better then PGR4 or Forza 3. In the case of graphics GT5 adds no more to the ball game then Halo 3 did in 2007.

This whole argument originated for the sub-topic of PS3 games having better graphics then 360 games, and I only pointed out that GT5 is nothing special, no better then PGR4 or Forza 3. Yes more cars, more cars also running on screen, and car graphics are much better then in PGR4, but PGR4 was a 2007 title, with a much smaller budget. Visually, the environments look the same. So that whole beleif that PS3 is more powerful is a matter of opinion. I personally think Killzone 2 > Mass Effect 2 > Massive tie between Gears 2, Uncharted 2, and God of War 3. After that graphics really don't stand out.

So relating this back to the topic at hand, GT won't sell as well as prior installments because I believe ratings affect the game, and as a simulator/fun game, I think Forza 3 is better, along with most websites. Hate me all you like, but I'll stand by it, and the only reason I'm here is because some more strongly biased fans mock me unsoundly.

That first paragraph is incorrect. Forza 3 nor PGR4 are running in 1080p at any given time. Games like Killzone, Uncharted, & God of War are completely irrelevant here, because GT5/Forza 3 are racing sims and have completely different graphical styles and limitations. And your Halo 3 bit is the most irrelevant bit in the entire post (as well as trolling).

As far as reviews are concerned, you should pay closer attention to the numbers. GT5 did better this last week in NA than the week prior and is tracking above GT4 in EMEAA again this week (by over 200,000).Most websites also called GT5 the best racing sim you can get, which both franchises are out to achieve, but GT still retains that crown. So what the current sales show is that with a franchise like GT, reviews will have little to no effect, which is what I've been saying all along. And if you want to use reviews as any indication of graphics, most say that GT5 has the best looking cars in any video game. I read most of them, carefully.

Long story short, GT5 isn't "just a racing sim", in fact no GT is. It's the biggest, most known franchise in the genre, and GT5 is doing pretty darn good in every region that isn't Japan (which it probably won't need much of in the grand scheme anyway). Nobody's going to hate you for an opinion, but if you think that GT5's current numbers indicate that it will sell lower than past iterations (and aren't willing to listen to reason or truly look at past GT titles), then it would seem like you aren't truly grasping the data.

This thread should have moved on long ago in my personal view, which is why even if you reply, I probably won't re-visit this place. It really is just a tit for tat environment.

Actually Forza Motorsport 3 runs at 1080p. It was patched early on, look on the back of the ultimate edition, it will say 1080p. I'm not sure about PGR4, I haven't played that game in a while, but I think the game runs in 720p, and nowhere did I state it ran in 1080p.

Killzone/Uncharted were just recaping what you missed in a side arguement that spawned this whole graphics debate, and Halo was an analogy, not trolling. If someone is going to accuse me of being MS biased, I'm allowed stand up for myself.

I think reviews affect sales, outside the EMEAA GT sales are half of what prior games used to sell, and even in EMEAA GT5 is still behind GT4 sales. Week 3 and 4 sales are higher for GT5, but never 200k higher. Week 1 and 2 were a lot lower, and the holiday season is boosting sales, remember that. Watch, sales will drop in January, everyone says a 10 week sales comparison is best, and I agree, Holidays, Ratings, late release date switch, all affected sales.

Never said to use reviews as indication of graphics. Where this graphic debate came from was when I said GT5 graphics are nothing special, and games on PS3 look no better then 360 games. GT5 looks no different then Forza, and environments in PGR4 look about the same as GT5, mind you GT5 has a lot more of them.

GT5 is selling a lot more poorly then past GT's in Americas, it's not just Japan thats ignoring GT, and you know my prediction, 9.4 million, lower then all past GT's. I just not think my original 8.5 million isn't unrealistic, a lot of people mocked me for thinking such with GT, now I'm just standing up for myself.

This thread has derailed, it kind of blows. Anyway the only reason this graphics debate came in is because someone (who is now banned), mocked me when I said GT5 graphics are nothing special. I stand up for my opinions, I know a lot of strongly opinionated people here might hate me for that, but it's the way I am.

GT5 is an awesome game, I just don't think it will sell as well as prior installments, and to me, honestly this game didn't  impact me as much as GT1,2,3 or 4 did. Sorry if I sound like a hater, but every time I say one negative comment, people blow up on me. I can say bad things about Forza or Fable all day long, and no one will notice, but as soon as I say "GT5 looks about the same as Forza 3 graphically" or something along those lines, haters flip out on me, call me biased, tell me that one opinion is "generally accepted" even though it's just their opinion.

Thanks for not being a hater CGI.



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