Ok, GT3 sold 14 MILLION, and GT4 sold 10 Million...

At the sales rate we're seeing here it will DEFINTELY NOT sell 14 million.. it could possibly hit 10 by end of lifetime ( until next GT titlte ) but that will be a stretch if it does..

I'm betting GT5 will be 3rd best selling title..

Michael-5 i'm not gonna argue anything with you, whenever something is Sony related you are pessimistic, and I could even predict what you were about to say, it was even fun. But god I couldn't refrain myself from LMFAOing when I read that Killzone 2 is the only game that raise the gap. Seriously dude, I don't want to get banned, if you could stop commenting on what I say, it would be quite appreciated. I had a hell of a day, and I don't want to talk with someone who talks nonsense and who even dare to say that Forza 3 looks the same as GT5. Envrionnment looks better, no it looks slightly better, and I'm concentrated on my car when I drive, not the trees "fack, the trees looks kind of strange today, I can't drive" They choses to focus on what's important in a racing game, cars. Change your TV or do something about your eyes or your bias.

You took Modnation Racers, are you aware that it's not even first party? See you're not even paying attention to all the things I said and how they're linked between them. As for Heavy Rain, it's not first party, yet it rocks so much. And it can't be compared with Mass Effect 2 which is awesome but in its genre and in its own way (eventhough graphically HR is better for obvious reasons that only people who understand where the difference between them lies and what it implies), these kinds of comprison will always amaze me -_-.

God of War 3 no better than Alan Wake? Call me Sony fanboy I don't care, people here will agree that this is total b*. The only thing amazing about Alan Wake is the lighting effect. The rest is nothing to be amazed by, I'm too lazy to find a video of Alan Wake when he was running and the camera suddenly went over him, and I paused there by chance, and saw his knee while he was walking, and then I laughed, it was the same as GTA4 when things looks great but only from some angles, but are triangluar or whatever you want. But I don't want to talk about that right now.

So please, bye, don't comment on my post anymore, I have nothing to say to you.

The graphic advantage is very minor. That's the problem. Gears 3 and Rage will be on par with Uncharted 2 and KZ3, and I don't see anything in the PS3 future that surpasses UC2 in graphics. UC3 will most likely be more of the same. Naughty Dog already said they pushed the PS3 graphic ability about as far as it will go with UC2. GoW3 looked as good as KZ2. The fact still remains the 360 is capable of producing the same type of graphics the PS3 has shown. Many developers have said this. They just haven't pushed the 360 to it limits yet.

Everyone says alot of thing, but is having hard time proving them. Being on par with UC2 x) Well we'll see about that.Gow 3 looking the same as KZ2, cool now we compare Shooters and Action games. Yayy!!!

That's what I said. 3rd all time. It's not going to sell 10 million. Most likely 6-7 million lifetime. It should sell at least 3.5 million by the end of the year.

GoW2 looked the same as KZ2. GoW 3 looks better then KZ2, definitely. To me the slight graphical differences is pretty meaningless. Like I said, it's very minor. I care more about the gameplay, story and how it gets the gamers immersed in the action.

Wait GoW = Gears of war of God of War for you? Because almost everyone say Gears 3 or GeoW in order to avoid the mislead.

If you meant God Of War 3 looks the same as KZ2, I will repeat myself but shooters and BTA comparison are pointless.

If you meant that Gears Of War 2 looked the same as Killzone 2 (and then Lulz) just check this:

And don't show me a Killzone 2 screen, because of post processing, it'll always look better on motion than on screenshot. So no. GeoW2 is still a great game graphics wise.

If you meant that Gears Of War 3 looks better than Kz2 : thank god it looks better, but even with what I was Kz2 is still above on some things (KZ is a early 2009 game) but what we saw for the moment are artworks or in engine screenshots as far as I'm aware.

my original post on the first page says 20m. now i say 80m

Crysis and Mass Effect 2 on PC >>> anything on PS3/360, just want to say that off the bat. I may not notice little graphical differences between Gears/MGS4 because I've seen a lot better, and I don't live in a dream world where little differences in graphics mean anything. The only major difference is PS3/360 > Wii, and there are a handful of games that stand above the normal (Gears, Killzone, MGS, Heavy Rain, Mass Effect, etc).

If you play Mass Effect 2 on PC, you clearly don't play it on max, and no God of War 3 does not look like anything special, Mass Effect 2 on 360 looks better. Killzone 2 is the only standout about the PS3/360 HD crowd. Lol God of War doesn't look that much better then Batman, so don't get all edgy.

Jay you bring into light a good point, anything can happen. PS3 had a bad start, PS4 is likely to do better, but I think MS will do better with the 720 too. The question is who will improve the most, and will there be another console war this close in terms of sales?

Keeping this to my point on Forza, now that GT5 has getting medeocre ratings, Forza has the ability to expand in Americas. That was my point.

Why is everyone ignoring my point, and taking anything I say into some stupid PS3 vs. 360, debate? Geez, relax people.